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Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:59:26 -0000 (GMT), Raphael Mankin wrote: > In general, the answer to your question is Yes. What you would do is to install > Debian, or whatever, in a clean partition and then build another kernel for it. > However, in the particular case of upgrading from 2.2 to 2.4 kernels, you also > have to upgrade glibc, binutils and other bits and pieces. It is therefore > ESSENTIAL that you do it in a clean partition. Do not try to upgrade a running > system. > Thanks - I can understand that well enough. If I already have a 2.4.n and I want to make it 2.4.n+1, do I still need to have separate partition - assuming that gcc, glibc, etc., are all within the versions recommended in the sourse README? > The moral is: always build your disks with two root partitions so that you can > do dangerous things without cutting your own balls off. > That seems eminently sound.... Gerald

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Debian problems
by Edenyard 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:15:07 +0000, Ashley wrote: > Just upgraded to Debian unstable (good idea?). Everything appears ok, apart > from my X configuration is lost. X no longer starts during bootup, and the > progs xf86config and XF86Setup are not available. Also startx and X are > unrecognised commands. > I have a vague idea that you run anXious (yes - that IS a capital X in the middle!!) to configure X on Debian. I DID say 'vague'.... Gerald

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ALUG Meeting.. problem..
by Simon Parkes 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

I've just been speaking to the Millennium Centre and they've turned round and told me that there is an issue, they don't have the room for us anymore!!! But I have a cunning plan, we can use the Cinema at my parent place in Cheveley (5 mins down the road), all organised if everyone is ok with that... Bonus, in true Linux tradition, it's free (and there's a sauna and pool available if anyone wants to refresh themselves)... Anyway over to you guys. Simon P.S. The Millennium Centre gave me there sincere apologies for the mistake...

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Taking the Plunge - recompiling the kernel
by Edenyard 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Please help!!! Having been persuaded (against my better judgment, no doubt) to have a go at this 'Recompiling the Kernel' game, I finally plucked up enough courage this afternoon. I installed all the source code for kernel 2.4.9, installed all the gcc and things for my Slackware 8.0 system and went for it. Ran make menuconfig first of all and patiently waded through the billions of choices there. Managed to save it and a message came up which said, 'make dep next'. I checked with my Kernel HOW-TO V2.5 and that's what it seemed to be saying, too. So I did. VERY soon after typing 'make dep', I got this: /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory make: *** [scripts/mkdep] Error1 Well - I don't have a clue what to do now. I read through the Kernel HOW-TO 'Pitfalls' section and (of course) no mention of this particular one. What's missing? Where is it?? <groan> I knew THIS would happen.... Sone kindly soul - please can you get me out of this latest hole? Thanks! Gerald.

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Re: Meeting of 4th November
by John Seago 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Is there a map for this meeting on Sunday, or any dircetions? Or any further details please? John

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Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:45:29 +0100, MJR wrote: > Anyone here with a kernel 2.4 Debian installation CD? I'm sure such things > exist, but I don't have one. > I've looked in all the usual places, but they all seem to say 2.2.xx for Debian. That's the frustrating thing: one hears how good Debian is, but can't try it! I wondered whether it's possible to take a distribution (e.g., Debian) and install it with another kernel?? I don't know enough about how all the different bits of Linux fit together to know whether this is a sensible suggestion. Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Debian problems
by MJ Ray 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

> Just upgraded to Debian unstable (good idea?). Everything appears ok, apart > from my X configuration is lost. X no longer starts during bootup, and the > progs xf86config and XF86Setup are not available. Also startx and X are > unrecognised commands. Congratulations! You're now the proud owner of an X4-based system. You may need to make sure that you have the right packages installed (try "aptitude" if you have it installed... I'm not sure if it's the right tool for unstable now, though). -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Meeting.. problem..
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Simon Parkes wrote: >But I have a cunning plan, we can use the Cinema at my parent place in >Cheveley (5 mins down the road), all organised if everyone is ok with >that... Bonus, in true Linux tradition, it's free (and there's a sauna and >pool available if anyone wants to refresh themselves)... Anyway over to you >guys. Sounds good. When can we start squabbling about what film to watch? If I bring my box will there be anyone that can look at php for me? And could any kind soul supply a BNC adaptor? Jenny.

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Debian, Slackware, hardware, BIOS and perplexity
by John Seago 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

As Gerald wrote in his recent post to this list, he installed Slackware, using disks borrowed from me; so I know that the disks work. I however, despite trying since Gerald sent them back, get can neither Debian 2.2 r3, or Slackware 8 to install, the problem comes when, with Slackware I reach the point where the install starts, either the CD is not being read, or it is not writing to the hard disk; and with Debian having installed the base system, when I try to install the rest of the system, again my machine will try in vain to find the CD/CD drive. I did try the Slackware experimental kernel for those having difficulty with hardware recognition, this succeeded in wiping my entire linux disk, together with my Mandrake system and its diary/calendar and address books; (why is it that the loss of one's address books causes so much distress?). Having had problems with installing Mandrake 8 my hardware was re-arranged to make the CD drive the primary slave. I thought at first that this is what had caused the problem. On sunday Chris and I tried again to install Debian and Slackware on his PC, my PC and his laptop. Slackware had the same failure on all three, Debian had the same failure on both PC's but went into his laptop. We then tried altering the hardware configuration and the BIOS (just about every permutation we could work out, over several hours), again no success. I am only left with the experimental altering of the BIOS to mirror the settings of Chris's Laptop, to try to get Debian into my PC. However that doesn't seem to get me very far with Slackware, any suggestions will be very welcome. John

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Re: [Alug] Team ALUG
by MJ Ray 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Adam: > Anyhow I will change my blocks output from Slashdot (or whatever team I am > on) to Alug when (as Willaby pointed out) we know where the money goes! I thought I said: I think Paul Russell is the team "leader" -- he's still in Norwich, although doesn't seem to be on this list at the moment, but he recently moved, so that may be why. I'll ask him to update his details as soon as I find where his email address went (or someone else who knows reminds me!). MJR

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