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Re: [Alug] Mail Clients Which one do you use?
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > Is that part of emacs? I must start to play with emacs one day. It runs in Emacs or XEmacs, yes. Whether it is "part of" Emacs would be a very contentious issue.

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Who .NEEDS it ...?
by Earl Brannigan 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi All, Following these .NET threads I couldn't help smiling. C#...?? Sorry, who needs another 'C/C++' like language. (I trust everyone realises the # is a ++ on ++, ie C# is C++++ (NOT!!!). C++ is a well defined mature standardised programming language. I can already write cross platform code with it. OK I need to compile on whatever platform but compilers are very compliant, and if I use posix api for threads and standard winsock api etc etc .... you get the picture. So why would I want to move to an immature, unproven, non-standard(yet) mechanism driven by the one company on this planet that I actually HATE. If C++ isn't up to what I need then Java can fill that gap usually, but there are all the other Perl/Python/yadayayada etc that I can also get into. Open, standardised, mature, robust. There is nothing Sharp about C#, it is a blatant plagiarism of Java. As such it is very blunt. Runtime engine, garbage collector, libraries. Sorry that's Java. And if I want something that looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, I'll get a duck thank you very much. My 2 penneth. Hailstorm??? Sorry, M$ do not have a very good record with authentication services.... PPTP anyone ? .NET, my .ARSE Earl

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Re: [Alug] locale
by Andrew.Chandler＠ftid.com 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

I'm not a Debian user, so it might do it differently, but you might find the locale is 'en_gb'. Just one of those strange things about our country - we are the UK but for some purposes we have to be GB? Like at the Olympics etc. Weird? We don't even have a national Football or Cricket team?!?! Rant over.. Bing Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> on 19/07/2001 12:45:16 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: [Alug] locale RFC822 message headers Hello, Ive had this problem since installing Debian (potato), having no success in fixing it.. Its an annoyance more than anything: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_UK" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Looking around for help, a few people mention running 'locale-gen'. I dont have this on my system, should I? Any other ideas would be appreciated, thanks Andrew. _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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Visit from Tim.
by David Freeman 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

All, I got this email from Josette at O'Reilly. I hope some of you can come. Tim O'Reilly has been one of thr driving forces behing Free software. MOre info on Tim can be found at http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/tim_bio.html Hope to see some of you there. Thanks D --- Josette Garcia <josette(a)oreilly.co.uk> wrote: Hi David Hope you are interested in the following. Tim O'Reilly will be at BT Labs on Wed. 9th August. You are all cordially invited to attend the talk. To register, please contact library(a)bt.com with name, affiliation and need of car park facility. Description of the talk - Title: The Pause before the Next Wave Speaker: Tim O'Reilly, President and CEO, O'Reilly & Associates Content: With this year's high-tech slowdown in full swing, programmers, web developers, system administrators, and other IT professionals are suddenly facing an uncertain future, as their stock options go underwater and layoffs replace seemingly bottomless demand for people with tech skills. The dotcom party has turned into an industry-wide hangover. But can this really be the end of an era? Date: Wednesday 8th August Venue: BT, Martlesham Heath Time: 15.00 That's all for now. All the best Josette ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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.NET has hope
by David Freeman 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Found this on a O'Rielly website " In 1998, we helped found ActiveState in order to make Perl more accessible to Windows users. ActiveState's ASPN product line now provides tools, support, and services for Perl, Python, and XSLT, and Visual Studio plug-ins for these languages so that they can be used with Microsoft's new .Net framework. " Thanks D PS Earl, I like the .ARSE idea. Especially as in diving ARSE stands far Always the Right Stuff for the Evironment! ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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locale
by Andrew J Glover 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hello, Ive had this problem since installing Debian (potato), having no success in fixing it.. Its an annoyance more than anything: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_UK" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Looking around for help, a few people mention running 'locale-gen'. I dont have this on my system, should I? Any other ideas would be appreciated, thanks Andrew.

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cron job
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi all, Just writing my first backup procedure and wondered on a few points: Does this check the directory /home/jenny/cwp exists? if [ -f /home/jenny/cwp/ ]; then Also, is there a standard place backups are filed? I've created a directory called backups for now in my home directory, and will copy the cwp/ directory into the backups directory, but it would be far neater to somehow roll the directory up into one neat zipped tarball on a daily basis and stuff it in a special backup place. At the mo I have cp -r /home/jenny/cwp/* /home/jenny/cwpbackup/ but could I have something like tar zcf /home/jenny/cwp > /backups/cwpbak.tar ? Thanks all, jenny.

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RE: Who .NEEDS it ...?
by Earl Brannigan 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi Andrew... On 19 July 2001 12:02, Andrew J Glover [SMTP:flexifoil@btinternet.com] wrote: > Umm. No. C# isnt C Like. Then it is a misappropriation of 'C'. If its Java-like then it is C-Like in so far as Java is C-Like. Like. >Very much Java like, and I actually found it a > little nicer to program than Java! Flame away! Flaming is not my speciality! (Complaining about M$ is though) We all have our preferences, it is likewise easier to program in Java than C++. But first you have to know Java, and first you have to know C# (Both would require an initial and ongoing investment of time and money to learn). If M$ hadn't been such w**nkers over Java, had co-operated instead of trying to embrace and extend then they could have helped to improve Java, contributed to its evolution. But NO. Because Sun wouldn't play ball and let M$ bastardise Java in their usual manner M$ decided to use their best boffins to 'innovate' something appears remarkably close to it (whether standards or not). And then there's the 'shared source' license ..... another time perhaps.. Cheers Regards Earl

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Ow! MS strikes out against cross-platform?
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

I was just sent this via the FSFEurope.org mailing lists. I recoil in horror that they might get away with this. What do others think? Is Java going to die, will this become an "optional" plug-in like VBRUN.dll was on Windows 3, or is Java mostly used on the server side anyway? Slashdotters will have seen this anyway, but here's choice clips from http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2790355,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnew… A Microsoft spokesman said Java support was diminished for "business reasons" After Windows XP is launched in October, users will be directed to download a plug-in from Microsoft's Web site (www.microsoft.com) to make Java-based programs work. "if you want your Web page accessible to the largest number of people, you may want to drop Java" and switch to Microsoft's competing set of products, which is under development and is known as .Net. Microsoft's new products will now screen out Java as a possible carrier of computer viruses in e-mail and, under high-security settings, in Web-browsing software. ... Microsoft's new security rules don't halt the transmission of e-mail attachments that contain Microsoft Word or Excel "macros," Microsoft didn't announce the change. [Above Copyright 2001 ZD Inc. See their site for confusing terms. I think this complies. Foo.]

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Re: [Alug] Mail Clients Which one do you use?
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > [...] What I want to know is what is your mail set up and what is > its faults. Exim on the outbound (was an earlyish smail user), fetchmail on the inbound and Gnus on the user interface. It's a bit of a pig to set up initially, but it really does do everything.

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