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TV program 8pm Sunday
by Adam Bower 21 Jul '01

21 Jul '01

Hi all, This is slightly off topic but may form the basis for some good discussion over the next few days. Tomorrow night (Sunday) at 8pm on Channel 4 there is a program titled "The Secret history of hacking" now this appears to mean hacking in the sense of l33t h4X00r D00D5 and not in the sense of Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox type hacking. Oh well looking forward to seeing if its crap or not...... Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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When's the next meeting at the UEA?
by Steve Kuo 21 Jul '01

21 Jul '01

When's the next meeting at the UEA? ===== --------------- Steve Kuo "How can we claim to be an advanced and civilized society when no other creatures on Earth develops technology to blow themselves up three times over?" ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [Alug] locale
by Andrew.Chandler＠ftid.com 21 Jul '01

21 Jul '01

Indeed... the country is the UK... but the iso-whatever lists the country code as GB.... in fact all the .uk domains used to be aliases from .gb My old Uni email address of chanaa(a)sx.ac.uk could also be chanaa(a)sx.ac.gb!!! Mind you chanaa(a)uk.ac.sx would also work on JANET!! A> MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> on 19/07/2001 22:34:56 To: Andrew.Chandler(a)ftid.com cc: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] locale RFC822 message headers Andrew.Chandler(a)ftid.com writes: > Just one of those strange things about our country - we are the UK > but for some purposes we have to be GB? Like at the Olympics etc. I think it's something like ISO says GB, but reality often says UK. Sometimes reality beats a standard. _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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Re: [Alug] Ow! MS strikes out against cross-platform?
by MJ Ray 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > > > (That's the new technology bit. It's innovation.) > > Not our innovation. That's the point I was making: why are we trying > > to implement theirs ahead of our own? > Oh, that's just daft. Talk about "Not Invented Here". If it's good, use > it. If it's not, don't. NIH has nothing to do with this. If it's proven to be good, then use it and shout about it from the rooftops. There's not even much harm with quietly exploring implementation for ourselves. Until then, we've got our own innovations to promote and shouldn't be wasting our energy doing their marketing department's work for them. > > Making a big noise before these projects have started is just > > *begging* to be knocked back. > For sure, but look how much noise the Gnome and KDE lot make. And look at the lumps Gnome took for too much PR too early. KDE were actually quite quiet until they had something half-working. Gnustep are like church mice just now. > [...] I think that along with Open Source should be an open mind -- > all too often people tend to discard good ideas just because they > came from dubious sources. No, dubious licensing. That viral shared source licence is a really nasty trick, I think. I also care more about Freedom than Openness. > If Microsoft is making a noise about > something that we've all been doing in similar ways for years, or > making a noise about some fantastic new innovation, why not steal > their thunder by offering an Open Source alternative? Why not, indeed?

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Re: [Alug] Ow! MS strikes out against cross-platform?
by MJ Ray 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Um, yeah, let's not get bogged down in paranoia though, eh? Ignore the > fact that it is Microsoft for a minute: some very bright minds have sat > down and designed a new framework for internet-based applications and > services. Who? I've only seen one recognised language guru involved with the project. It mostly seems to be being advocated and evangelised by the management who have so much to lose if Microsoft don't retain their monopoly as the battle moves to service provision. > (That's the new technology bit. It's innovation.) Not our innovation. That's the point I was making: why are we trying to implement theirs ahead of our own? > Remember that Microsoft had a significant input into SMIL and XML > (and many other funky technologies and innovations). "Significant input" does not equate to Microsoft-led and -owned. > Should we discard these lest we wind up staring at the competition? > Does it matter who the competition is? Well, I don't see acres of newsprint devoted to these other worthy technologies and I don't see the huge waste of programmer talent in their pursuit. Where Free software has got on quietly and provided sound implementations of useful techologies, it works well. Making a big noise before these projects have started is just *begging* to be knocked back. > Surely, if the competition have the cash to employ some > extremely talented designers, engineers, geeks etc, shouldn't we let them > pay while we steal their ideas? ;-) Depends if they want to steal our revolution...

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Re: [Alug] [fwd] Re: Very Worried at MS .net
by MJ Ray 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > http://www.ximian.com/tech/mono-index.php3 or So, Mono is a C-hash compiler (yuck), the CLI and CLR. Where are the other languages? Will the viral nature of the MS Shared Source licence kill them? > http://www.microsoft.com/net/whatis.asp for more details. It doesn't seem to like my web browser. I guess they're looking at the user agent. > I think to say .NET is "the new Windows API" is a little too glib. ...but depending on the contents of the CLI, it could be entirely fair.

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bash script...
by Andrew J Glover 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Could somebody explain to me why the following doesnt work, or offer a better solution please? -- DIRECTORY=".thumbnails" remThumbs() { rm -rf $DIRECTORY } for i in `ls -a` ; do if [ -d $i ] ; then echo "Yup, $i is a directory" if [ $i == $DIRECTORY && $i != "." || $i != ".." ] ; then echo "Removing $i ..." # remThumbs else echo "Entering $i ..." cd $i $HOME/bin/remThumbnails fi else echo "Nope, $i is a file" fi done -- Thanks, Andrew.

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LaTeX help
by David Freeman 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Hi, Can any one tell me how to change the way the date is displayed in LaTeX? ATM it shows up as July 19, 2001 which I don't want. I want it to show tomorrows date (20th July) as: 20 July 2001 This is being used in a letter which needs to be done tonight for tomorrow! Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] bash script...
by MJ Ray 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> writes: > if [ $i == $DIRECTORY && $i != "." || $i != ".." ] ; Almost certainly that line wants [ ]s around each test (man test and man bash to see why). Use Brett's way though. Much nicer.

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test message
by Brett Parker 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

OK, this is just to see if I have now stopped my self from being blocked and having to wait for admins to approve the mails, please ignore, delete, set fire to, whatever ;) Brett

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