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Re: Your reply (MJ Ray)
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Mar '01

10 Mar '01

>Hope this doesn't sound condescending. No, not at all - I think I owe a bit of an apology for my mail of the other day. I'm hoping I 'll make the meeting on the 25th to meet people, which will make how I interpret stuff very different. A security talk would be excellent. Jenny.

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Re: Your reply (MJ Ray)
by Earl Brannigan 09 Mar '01

09 Mar '01

Hi all This discussion is already past its sell-by-date so I don't want to prolong it any further unnecessarily. In my office (V Small Co.) I get very tired of anyone and everyone passing on the latest 'Virus Warning' or something so I have alot of sympathy with MJ. I have implemented a virus/security policy as follows : Every Monday Morning I visit the website of our virus checker vendor and download the latest updates, then install them. I also visit www.securityfocus.com (good source of general info), www.cobalt.com (our webserver vendor) www.redhat.com (our in-house linux vendor) www.microsoft.com (our desktop/server vendor) and check all the security advisories, download any necessary patches and install them. Meanwhile, I subscribe to a couple of the (relevant) advisory newsletters from security focus and read them when they arrive. That's it. EOF If anyone can think of anything further needed please let me know. > It's probably time to compile a list "Charter" or FAQ, pointing people > towards other more appropriate resources for common requirements like > good security alerts. Anyone able to help on this? ALUG Admin:, if you wish you can use this mail as the basis for an FAQ on posting security announcements/requests for all subscribers. Everyone: (especially home users/linux beginners) this is about all you need to do, and about all you need to advise anyone. Then if someone wants to get 'security-techie' they have a great start in the right places. Hope this doesn't sound condescending. (aside : the point is valid that for beginners the idea of totally secure Linux has been hyped from somewhere (LINUX IS MORE SECURE THAN WINDOWS BY DEFAULT - TRUE - , but that's about it) you can get a bit shocked when you hear of a so called Linux Virus - and I do think that to a point the first port-of-call for any newbie who is unsure of something should be the local LUG - from where they can get pointed in the right direction - without feeling intimidated - agreed??) > Perhaps a "Securing Linux" talk or two at the next meeting? Any > takers? I would be glad to discuss security issues in more depth if people are interested, the concepts of hacking (cracking) etc and common methods + good prevention practice (If anyone feels better qualified please feel free - I'm not an expert, just forced into it by necessity). Just an overview with perhaps some handout info so that anyone who is completely new to it can at least get a handle on it. I would admit now though that I would only be using info gleaned from www.attrition.org, www.insecure.org and www.securityfocus.com as a basis! (but I could bring along some RPMs of nmap, tripwire and other stuff for people who want them (of course I could explain/demo them if needed)) I'll await feedback on this offer... Sorry I went on a bit. Best Regards Earl

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Free hardware now gone to a good home
by merville 09 Mar '01

09 Mar '01

The scanjet has now found a good home with a Linux user ! Thanks to all who responded. ======================================== Rob Somerville | me(a)merville.net | http://www.merville.net ========================================

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Re: [Alug] IRQ's and hardware issues
by MJ Ray 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > 1) How do I get a listing of the boot messages under Peanut liniux? dmesg? > 2) How do I resolve this problem? Is it going to mean replacing the > hardware or can it be resolves in software? Almost certainly there is a software solution, but I've not had to do this. Probably lspci's friends? > 3) If anyone can suggest how I can get USB to work as well that would > be a great help Enable it in the kernel and it just works, I think. -- MJR

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[Various] Digested Articles
by MJ Ray 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

Spam4u... one interesting, one not. Well, not to me anyway. Topics: [lugmaster] FW: Call For Papers - Linux2001: Manchester, UK First Official MySQL Training in the UK. Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:39:52 +0000 From: Alasdair Kergon <agk(a)ukuug.org> Subject: FW: Call For Papers - Linux2001: Manchester, UK I enclose the call for papers for this year's developers' conference. The closing date for abstracts is 30th March. If you want to suggest speakers/discuss sponsorship/discuss topics before submitting an abstract etc. please get in touch with us at linux2001(a)ukuug.org. Please circulate the document amongst the development community! You can link to it at: http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2001/CFP.shtml You'll find information about Manchester (incl. Travel - flights etc.) at: http://www.manchester.com/ Alasdair Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:41:12 +0200 From: Bertrand Matthelié <bertrand.matthelie(a)polycon.fi> Subject: First Official MySQL Training in the UK. Dear member of the UK Linux user community, MySQL is the leading Open Source database, and the most widely used in Linux environments. Jointly with the MySQL core team members, Polycon developed the first Official MySQL Training Program, in order to teach the MySQL users how to harness the full power of their favourite database. A portion of each course fee will be contributed to MySQL AB toward the further development of the MySQL database. Polycon will hold the first Official MySQL training session in the UK in London from May 14th to 18th, and we would very much like to communicate this news to the UK Linux community. All the information concerning the Official MySQL Training is available at: http://www.polycon.fi/mysql Do not hesitate to contact me. Best Regards, Bertrand Matthelié -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Re: alug post approval required for hahaha@sexyfun.net
by MJ Ray 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > this virus? I'm getting tired of filtering these. s/virus/worm/ ... I'm just off out to flog myself for a while. I will learn not to do your typical journo error. -- MJR

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Re: alug post approval required for hahaha@sexyfun.net
by MJ Ray 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

> List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > From: hahaha(a)sexyfun.net > Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! ALUG users using Outlook (I think that's where this comes from), please can you upgrade or make sure your emailer isn't vulnerable to this virus? I'm getting tired of filtering these. -- MJR

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Jobs in Norfolk? :(
by Toby Jaffey 06 Mar '01

06 Mar '01

Does anyone know of any interesting technology companies in Norfolk that do embedded systems work? Coming to the end of my degree, I'm looking for work in East Anglia. Ideally, I'd like to live in Norwich. But, I'm grudgingly accepting that I'll have to work in/around Cambridge. -- (o_ | Toby Jaffey : www.nott.ac.uk/~psystrj/ //\ | "... it is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a V_/_ | big enough hammer." -- Sun System & Network Admin manual

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RE: [Alug] NFS Install probs.
by Corner Paul 06 Mar '01

06 Mar '01

An update on my little problem - After recompiling the kernel and found I then had a corrupt source file. Checked the sources on another machine and everyting looked fine.... Put the problem to one side for a week or so and returned to it this weekend. The NFS download and compile worked without a hitch. For a while at least !! Started getting a new error - Something to do with an IDE error. OK swap the dive with another one, still the same problem - Try both the drives in another box and found both to be fine. Last straw - Changed the PSU. Everything has been running fine for the last three days. It looks as if it has been a hardware problem causing the trouble. Regards, Paul. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Fosdick [SMTP:fozzy@pelvoux.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 12 February 2001 23:23 > To: 'A. Lug' > Subject: Re: [Alug] NFS Install probs. > > > do an NFS install, it all goes as I expect. But on booting up the new > > machine, lilo does what it should, the kernel starts to load, then > trouble. > > I get an error message "crc error --system halted--". > > From a quick look at the kernel source it looks as if this error comes > from a module called inflate.c which is used to uncompress the kernel > image once it has been loaded into memory. > > The most likely cause of the message therefore is the compressed > kernel image as loaded into memory being corrupt and in the case of a > kernel being loaded from hard disk the most likely cause of that is > the LILO kernel image map being out of date so LILO loads the wrong > disk blocks. > > The solution is to make sure the /sbin/lilo commands gets run between > installing the kernel onto the hard disk of the newly installed > machine and the reboot. > > Hope this helps. > Steve. > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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Re: [Alug] Your reply
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 06 Mar '01

06 Mar '01

>And if you think I'm being harsh, please just imagine what posting >your message to the uk.comp.os.linux newsgroup would have been like. I've been thinking about this reply for a day or two. I was actually bit shocked by it. With all respect to the guys who run the show, I wonder if you mean to be so elitist? If you are going to run a public forum like the alug mailing list, you can't expect to have everyone on the same level. If people lower down than you on the learning curve of linux make comments that you feel are irrelevant and it annoys you, perhaps you should consider forming a new group of experts on a higher echelon? Call it AELUG, E for Expert. I personally am still at the stage where everything I hear about linux, kernels, networking, makes my eyes bulge and my head fill up like a sponge. Kerin's post was relevant to me, i.e. I learnt quite a lot of different things from it and the responses. Isn't this the point of the lug groups, or am I too low down to get "the point"? Responses like yours to Kerin's post are quite intimidating and unlikely to encourage new membership or attendance at meetings, which perhaps isn't in the spirit of the open source movement. >2) more importantly, if someone out >there is running 6.2 or 7.0 and they have not updated, is not it a friendly >thing to do and warn them that they could have a problem. remember the spirit >of the Linux world. PS. I am running 6.2 and had no idea that patches were needed. Jenny.

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