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Re: [Alug] I hope this isn't inappropriate...
by MJ Ray 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > oops, please forgive me, > I didn't mean to send this to the whole alug list !!! So why did you just send it again? Trim quotes... -- MJR

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Broadband in Norwich?
by Syd Hancock 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

First of all, my apologies since this question is not directly related to linux. Can anyone tell me if there are any ADSL, cable or other broadband services in or near to Norwich? (Currently in France, moving to Norwich area in April - anyone knowing of a decent 3/4 bed house w/ garden to rent please contact) TIA and second set of apologies for the spam, promise it won't happen again. But you never know... Syd

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Re: Printers +Postscript
by tom potts 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Check out Ghostscript/Ghostview - this will allow you to print almost any format to almost any printer. It will display these formats to screen as well. Most things the evile (sic) empire charge for have been free from GNU for twenty years or so! Tom --- alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > > Send alug mailing list submissions to > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > alug-request(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > You can reach the person managing the list at > alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific than > "Re: Contents of alug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Printers (fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:27:13 +0000 > To: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Alug] Printers > > On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 12:21:35PM -0800, David > Freeman wrote: > > > All, > > > > I've decided I need to buy a printer. > > > > After some thought I have decided on the following > criteria > > > > * Must run well with Linux > > * Lazer printer > > * low cost to buy > > * Low running costs (<5p a page) > > * Reliable > > > > Can any one suggest a good buy? > > The moon on a stick? > > Seriously, you may not be able to find something > which meets all of > the requirements above. Looking at the requirements > in more detail: > > > * Must run well with Linux > > Most unix (including Linux) programs are designed to > work with a > Postscript printer. So, for a printer to work well > with Linux it must > either have a built-in postscript interpreter or it > must have a good > ghostscript driver so that ghostscript can be used > to convert > postscript into whatever strange format the printer > uses. > > I went for the built-in postscript interpreter. > > > * Lazer printer > > I would expect one of these to be much faster and > have a lower cost > per page than an inkjet, but for an item of similar > quality it will be > more expensive to buy. > > > * low cost to buy > > A lot depends on what you regard as low cost. Laser > printers have got > a lot cheaper in recent years but they will still be > more expensive > than most injkets. You should be able to get a > small "personal" laser > printer for between about £200 and £500. > > > * Low running costs (<5p a page) > > The printer I have now is an HP Laserjet 2100/M and > the toner > cartridge costs about £70 with the average life > according to HP being > 5,000 sheets, i.e. about 2 boxes of paper - my last > one lasted slighly > longer than this. > > I don't remember how much the paper is but I think > about £15 per box > (1 box = 5 reams = 2,500 sheets) is probably > reasonable. > > So, adding it up you get 1.4 p/page for toner and > 0.6p/page for paper > making a total cost of 2p/page. > > Compare this with my previous printer which was an > Epson Styluscolor - > ink cartridges are about £15 and last about 500 > pages. Paper is > slighly cheaper, say £2.50 per ream so we get > 3p/page for ink and > 0.5p/page for paper giving a total or 3.5/page. > > > * Reliable > > It's a bit difficult to measure this one. The > printer I've got has > been reliable so far in that it has never gone wrong > and it only jams > if I give it paper which is bent or curled. > > > Can any one suggest a good buy? > > I don't think I can recommend any especially good > buy. > > The printer I have now which is an HP Laserjet > 2100/M I am very > pleased with. It is fast, the output quality is > good, it hasn't > barfed on anything I've sent it, is cheap to run and > so far seems > reliable. > > As I said earlier this is the model with built-in > postscript (that's > indirectly what the /M stands for - /M actually > means "for Macintosh" > as far as I know but as Macs have a history of > expecting postscript > printers it indirectly means built-in postscript). > > I bought it from PC World at a discount because it > was an > ex-demo model (unused I am told). I paid £499 for > it, their list > price was about £700 if I remember correctly. > > I have just tested the ljet4 ghostscript driver > driving my printer in > PCL mode and that seems to produce output that looks > almost > indistinguishable from the built-in postscript (for > the Times Roman > font anyway) so this may indicate that a cheaper HP > (PCL only, like > the 1100 series) would work well too though I can't > say for sure. > > One thing to do may be to knock up a postscipt test > file, one page > preferably, which includes samples of all > 30-something fonts as well > as various shade and screen effects and see if you > can get people to > print it for comparison. > > Hope this helps, > Steve. > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > alug mailing list > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > > > End of alug Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Re: Printers
by tom potts 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

As a matter of restraint I'd sit back and check what printing you REALLY need. If you print out a lot of things that you can't be bothered to read on screen - long alug mailings etc - you really dont want to be paying 4+ pence per page and then throwing away half the colour cartriges. The company I work for spends 90%+ of its printing costs on paper and ink that goes from printer to hand to bin. If its an attractive document e-mail it and let the recipient print it ,if its not an old dot matrix will almost certainly do and and old line printer is a revelation! But they dont beep when thay run low on ink which some people just CANT (sic) live with. But then thay dont print illegibly in yellow either. Tom --- alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > > Send alug mailing list submissions to > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > alug-request(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > You can reach the person managing the list at > alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific than > "Re: Contents of alug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Printers (fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:27:13 +0000 > To: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Alug] Printers > > On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 12:21:35PM -0800, David > Freeman wrote: > > > All, > > > > I've decided I need to buy a printer. > > > > After some thought I have decided on the following > criteria > > > > * Must run well with Linux > > * Lazer printer > > * low cost to buy > > * Low running costs (<5p a page) > > * Reliable > > > > Can any one suggest a good buy? > > The moon on a stick? > > Seriously, you may not be able to find something > which meets all of > the requirements above. Looking at the requirements > in more detail: > > > * Must run well with Linux > > Most unix (including Linux) programs are designed to > work with a > Postscript printer. So, for a printer to work well > with Linux it must > either have a built-in postscript interpreter or it > must have a good > ghostscript driver so that ghostscript can be used > to convert > postscript into whatever strange format the printer > uses. > > I went for the built-in postscript interpreter. > > > * Lazer printer > > I would expect one of these to be much faster and > have a lower cost > per page than an inkjet, but for an item of similar > quality it will be > more expensive to buy. > > > * low cost to buy > > A lot depends on what you regard as low cost. Laser > printers have got > a lot cheaper in recent years but they will still be > more expensive > than most injkets. You should be able to get a > small "personal" laser > printer for between about £200 and £500. > > > * Low running costs (<5p a page) > > The printer I have now is an HP Laserjet 2100/M and > the toner > cartridge costs about £70 with the average life > according to HP being > 5,000 sheets, i.e. about 2 boxes of paper - my last > one lasted slighly > longer than this. > > I don't remember how much the paper is but I think > about £15 per box > (1 box = 5 reams = 2,500 sheets) is probably > reasonable. > > So, adding it up you get 1.4 p/page for toner and > 0.6p/page for paper > making a total cost of 2p/page. > > Compare this with my previous printer which was an > Epson Styluscolor - > ink cartridges are about £15 and last about 500 > pages. Paper is > slighly cheaper, say £2.50 per ream so we get > 3p/page for ink and > 0.5p/page for paper giving a total or 3.5/page. > > > * Reliable > > It's a bit difficult to measure this one. The > printer I've got has > been reliable so far in that it has never gone wrong > and it only jams > if I give it paper which is bent or curled. > > > Can any one suggest a good buy? > > I don't think I can recommend any especially good > buy. > > The printer I have now which is an HP Laserjet > 2100/M I am very > pleased with. It is fast, the output quality is > good, it hasn't > barfed on anything I've sent it, is cheap to run and > so far seems > reliable. > > As I said earlier this is the model with built-in > postscript (that's > indirectly what the /M stands for - /M actually > means "for Macintosh" > as far as I know but as Macs have a history of > expecting postscript > printers it indirectly means built-in postscript). > > I bought it from PC World at a discount because it > was an > ex-demo model (unused I am told). I paid £499 for > it, their list > price was about £700 if I remember correctly. > > I have just tested the ljet4 ghostscript driver > driving my printer in > PCL mode and that seems to produce output that looks > almost > indistinguishable from the built-in postscript (for > the Times Roman > font anyway) so this may indicate that a cheaper HP > (PCL only, like > the 1100 series) would work well too though I can't > say for sure. > > One thing to do may be to knock up a postscipt test > file, one page > preferably, which includes samples of all > 30-something fonts as well > as various shade and screen effects and see if you > can get people to > print it for comparison. > > Hope this helps, > Steve. > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > alug mailing list > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > > > End of alug Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Palmtops & Linux - big decision needs making.
by Nico Morgan 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

I am on the brink of buying a palmtop but can't decide which. Many things affect my decision but the most important thing is successful linking with my Linux box at work where it will be synced and backed-up. Have members any experience of the Handspring visor (Prob deluxe) and the Palm (m100, IIIxe) working with their Linux boxes? The documentation seems to imply that both will work perfectly well with the Palm syncing conduits and so on... Thanks in advance Nico -- /\/ / i c o

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Printers
by David Freeman 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

All, I've decided I need to buy a printer. After some thought I have decided on the following criteria * Must run well with Linux * Lazer printer * low cost to buy * Low running costs (<5p a page) * Reliable Can any one suggest a good buy? Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Palmtops & Linux - big decision needs making.
by MJ Ray 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Nico Morgan <nico(a)nicomorgan.com> writes: > Have members any experience of the Handspring visor (Prob deluxe) and > the Palm (m100, IIIxe) working with their Linux boxes? The > documentation seems to imply that both will work perfectly well with > the Palm syncing conduits and so on... I have a Palm working well with coldsync, and I've seen other tools based on pilot-xfer working too. JPilot is highly regarded if you actually want to work with the PIM data rather than just back it up, and I understand Gnome and KDE desktop environments both offer some syncing. -- MJR "Candidate must understand grass is green and Luton has a football team."

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Linux *is* for desktops!
by Chris Allen 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Well, I did it. After my "Linux is not for desktops?" post, I had many messages of advice and suggestions - and I have finally turned off my windows machine for good. I'm now using: Mail: mutt - took some getting used to, but I'm now amazed at how powerful it is. I can do things with a couple of keypresses that I wouldn't have considered in Eudora! News: slrn - Again totally different philosophy to Agent, but well worth the effort... Now all my news is collected by slrnpull, and I can read quickly whenever I want to. Office: StarOffice. It does all it can to make MSOffice people feel at home, but I'm still having a few problems. Web: Konqueror/Netscape. Konqueror is nice and fast for nearly everything. I particularly like the way that (from KDE) I can hit the 'windows' button on my keyboard, type in a URL, and I'm away. If there is something that Konqueror can't handle, then I switch to netscape. So many thanks for all your advice - it was well worth it, and I'm so pleased to have finally ditched Microsoft.. Couple of things I'm still having problems with - if anybody's found a solution I'd be grateful to hear about it: * I can't print TrueType fonts from StarOffice. They are displayed, but when I print, they get changed to something else. I can't find any info about this at all. My printer is a Tektronix Phaser 560, which handles Postscript level2, and can (apparently) deal with type-42 fonts (whatever that means)... but no luck at all yet... * Konsole in KDE has this neat 'session' manager that lets you start several shells in one window. However, I have found no way of doing this automatically when I log in. It would be useful if it could launch a konsole window with several shells aready running... Anybody have any ideas? chris. ps.. Would anybody be interested in coming to an 'outdoor' meet in the early summer - weather permitting - we have an ideal garden for this, a permanent internet connection, so you could be wired up to the net properly, and we could follow it with a barbecue (and a swim in the pool for those that wanted...)

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[Various] Digested Articles
by MJ Ray 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

spam4u2 Topics: Two major speakers in London in the next fortnight In need of help ! Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:21:34 +0000 From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk(a)ukuug.org> Subject: Two major speakers in London in the next fortnight ********************************************************************** UKUUG/LUUG Evening Meeting - Announcement Thursday 22nd February 2001 7.00 p.m. - Room 639 - Institute of Education Speaker: Elliotte Rusty Harold (Author of 'The XML Bible' and co-author of 'XML in a Nutshell') Presentation title: 'New Developments in Java 1.4' The XML Bible (IDG Books, 1999)- http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/books/bible/ Read Cafe au Lait for Java News: http://metalab.unc.edu/javafaq/ Read Cafe con Leche for XML News: http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/ Bio: http://www.macfaq.com/personal.html Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:24:46 +0000 From: Dave Cross <dave(a)dave.org.uk> Subject: The Conway Lecture (please circulate this to any interested parties) London Perl Mongers proudly presents THE CONWAY LECTURE "Quantum::Superpositions" by Damian Conway In the Brockway Room, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, WC1R 4RL On Monday 26th Feb, 2001 At 7pm For more information: On Damian Conway see <http://www.yetanother.org/damian/> On Quantum::Superpositions see <http://yetanother.org/damian/event_Quantum.html> On Conway Hall see <http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk/conway/where.htm> On london.pm see <http://london.pm.org> -- <http://www.dave.org.uk> SMS: sms(a)dave.org.uk <plug>Data Munging with Perl <http://www.manning.com/cross/></plug> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:27:32 -0000 From: Jason Cooper <Jason.cooper(a)veritas-it.co.uk> Subject: In need of help ! We are a recruitment company based in Milton Keynes and we have a client who is looking for a MySql PHP Database developer to work on site in Northampton for a four week project. I don't know if you can help but if you know of people who would be interested in this assignment, then please forward my details to them. Thank you for your assistance in advance Regards Jason Cooper Contracts Manager Veritas IT Contracts Division: 0870 121 3202 Facsimile: 0870 121 3209 Email: jason.cooper(a)veritas-it.co.uk Web: www.veritas-it.co.uk This message and any attachments to it is intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential or prohibited from disclosure or unauthorised use. If the recipient of this transmission is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering such materials to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail message or its attachments other than by its intended recipient is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received it in error, please return it to the sender and destroy the message and/or copies in your possession. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Palmtops & Linux - big decision needs making.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Nico: The software developer for our speech lightwriters is using an ipaq to build our next generation on using linux kernel. If that is any help. Jenny.

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