OK, we hit a massive off-topic drift near the end and this is, again, very late in being compiled. The next issue should be on Friday. Apologies to all for any bad editing on my part. There's a slightly different format to this edition. Email the main list, alug@stu.uea.ac.uk to comment if you want. Highlights: IRC Nicknames list published BBQ meeting booked for Martlesham on 12 August Topics: Re: [Alug] linux expo.. Re: [Alug] Retail theropy - AC3, DVD and linux [Alug] Xdefaults [Alug] Curious Re: [Alug] Small question [Alug] latest IRC list [Alug] Suse contact [Alug] Alug Book emporuim Re: [Alug] Sending information between databases [Alug] BEER!!!!!! [Alug] Next Meet Is BOOKED [Alug] Tempest True type font [Alug] Going Alpha Re: [Alug] Which Linux distibution, please? RE: [Alug] Which Linux distibution, please? Re: [Alug] Connection Trauma Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: [Alug] linux expo.. -- oms101@freeuk.com wrote:

...

Silly, whats silly? I learnt yesterday whilst talking to the Gay person with a tail, "why do i give a shit what others think?" and he's right, why do I care?

He was a nice girl and part of a tail related internet comunity apparently his girl friend was a fox and he was some other anaimal, some one I did not know made a joke about beastiality, but a good relief from the goat sex related topics that sprang up at manlug

Actually HE was called moof and is actually not interested in women, so it was his boy friend who is the fox and it was that latters tail he had borrowed. He says there are more like him at http://www.londonfurs.org/ Also he is from kent and is a student at Kent Uni.

Ah poor bunny, why not track down the tail based internet comunity they seemed fun to. I cant bitch though as It was remarkably friendly and no matter how desperate you where to get hold of soft toys people thought it was perfectly natural. ( Bet you cant guess who that may have been)

http://www.londonfurs.org/ - I don't really relate to the furries but the geeks/nerds/hackers which were in the bar I could relate to.

I met Wylug members, ManLug members and sheflug members as well, as the locals. Its was like a tribal gethering for this nomad.

I met Sheflug and manlug and Lonix and GLUG people also a group looking to form a LUG in kent. Like you say it was a tribal gathering. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:42:22 +0100 (BST) From: Adam Bower <abower@thebowery.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Retail theropy - AC3, DVD and linux On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, David Freeman wrote:

1) Is it worth getting TV out on a graphics card? for a desktop machine?

IMHO no, unless you want to watch DVDs on a larger screen etc. but I don't know if this is supported under Linux. I did have TV out on my last Nvidia TNT and never used it.

2) How well is the geforce 2 MX supported on Linux? I have a GeForce 2 GTS and all Nvidia cards later than the Riva128 are supported with hardware acceleration, BUT the drivers to do this are binary only (they work fine though) Nvidia will not open source them. There is an implementation built into XFree86 that supports them but no hardware acceleration == no Quake III.

3) Are DVD rom drives fixed as a single region? if so how do I unfix it? Yes, but you can unlock quite a few with a patch (a bit like a Bios update) I don't know where there is a site that tells you more, google might. If you do find more info let me know as I am also looking at some retail therapy!

4) Do DVD rom drives have a S/PDIF output on the drive? I would of thought that some do and some dont. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

5) Can any one recommend a cheap sound card which will give me 6 channel sound output from the DVD drive and allow me to output it to my surround amp? Probably one of the cheap Creative Labs would do, again don't know really

6) What dvd decoding software would people recommend? don't know :-(

My god I am soooo tempted to spend money at the moment! I am tempted by an Athlon 1.2Ghz 512Mb 2100DDR memory, motherboard and DVD drive along with a IBM UDMA100 60Gb hard disk and a Iiyama Vision master Pro 451 19" monitor, but I have to keep telling myself that I live in the real world and can't afford it...... Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:48:35 +0100 (BST) From: oms101@freeuk.com Subject: [Alug] Xdefaults A while ago we where discussing X and .Xdefaults and I discovered that some people might want some of my settings for X If you type use KDE it can be anoying the way you X applications look and feel is modified by apply changes to all X windows deleting some of your changes to the ~/.Xdefaults file. (I now use ice which is well customised now maybe I should post my theme some time to themes.org or even here) at the end of the ~/.Xdefaults file on my account you will see the line <Quote> #include "etc/X/Xresorces/Main" </Quote> This prevents programs overwriting my Xdefault which I set So fav I have only set up a couple of programs The links to a file called Main which further links to setups for 4 applications and looks like <Quote> #include "XTerm" #include "Nedit" #include "Netscape" #include "Ddd" </Quote> The files XTerm Nedit Netscape and Ddd have appended I hope this will improve the look of your X enviroment, The support for wheel mouse in Xterms and Nedit is now an essential for me. Enjoy Owen - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- Ddd - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- Ddd*XmText.background: black Ddd*XmText.foreground: white - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- Nedit - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- !========================================================================== ! NeDiT Settings from OMS !========================================================================== ! NEdit*fontList: -*-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-*-*-17-*-*-*-*-*-*-* NEdit*text.selectForeground: red nedit*text.selectBackground: gray80 nedit*text.highlightBackground: red nedit*text.highlightForeground: white nedit.remapDeleteKey: False # NEdit NEdit*text.Translations: #override\n\ Shift<Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>: scroll_up(1)\n\ Shift<Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>: scroll_down(1)\n\ Ctrl<Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>: previous_page()\n\ Ctrl<Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>: next_page(1)\n\ <Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>: scroll_up(3)\n\ <Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>: scroll_down(3)\n nedit.stdOpenDialog: True - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- Netscape - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- !## NETSCAPE Netscape*drawingArea.translations: #replace \ <Btn1Down>: ArmLink() \n\ <Btn2Down>: ArmLink() \n\ ~Shift<Btn1Up>: ActivateLink() \n\ ~Shift<Btn2Up>: ActivateLink(new-window) \ DisarmLink() \n\ Shift<Btn1Up>: ActivateLink(save-only) \ DisarmLink() \n\ Shift<Btn2Up>: ActivateLink(save-only) \ DisarmLink() \n\ <Btn1Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ <Btn2Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ <Btn3Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ <Motion>: DescribeLink() \n\ <Btn3Down>: xfeDoPopup() \n\ <Btn3Up>: ActivatePopup() \n\ Ctrl<Btn4Down>: PageUp()\n\ Ctrl<Btn5Down>: PageDown()\n\ Shift<Btn4Down>: LineUp()\n\ Shift<Btn5Down>: LineDown()\n\ None<Btn4Down>: LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\ None<Btn5Down>: LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\ Alt<Btn4Down>: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\ Alt<Btn5Down>: xfeDoCommand(back)\n Netscape*globalNonTextTranslations: #override\n\ Shift<Btn4Down>: LineUp()\n\ Shift<Btn5Down>: LineDown()\n\ None<Btn4Down>:LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\ None<Btn5Down>:LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\ Alt<Btn4Down>: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\ Alt<Btn5Down>: xfeDoCommand(back)\n - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- XFMail - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- !========================================================================== ! XFMail Settings from OMS !========================================================================== ! xfmail*text.Translations: #override\n\ <Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>:a\n\ <Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>:a\n\ - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- XTerm - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- ! =========================================================================== ! Basic !=========================================================================== !Changed as to big a window on display !.xterm.geometry: 80x45 .xterm.geometry: 78x18 .xterm.vt100.background: black .xterm.vt100.foreground: grey .xterm.vt100.color0: #000000 .xterm.vt100.color1: #d36265 .xterm.vt100.color2: #aece91 .xterm.vt100.color3: #e7e18c .xterm.vt100.color4: #7a7ab0 .xterm.vt100.color5: #963c59 .xterm.vt100.color6: #418179 .xterm.vt100.color7: gray .xterm.vt100.color8: gray40 .xterm.vt100.color9: #ef8171 .xterm.vt100.color10: #e5f779 .xterm.vt100.color11: #fff796 .xterm.vt100.color12: #4186be .xterm.vt100.color13: #ef9ebe .xterm.vt100.color14: #71bebe .xterm.vt100.color15: white .xterm*fontMenu*background: green ! =========================================================================== ! Motif ! =========================================================================== !*XmText.translations: #override\n\ ! <Key>osfDelete: delete-previous-character()\n\ ! <Key>osfBackSpace: delete-next-character()\n ! !*XmTextField.translations: #override\n\ ! <Key>osfDelete: delete-next-character()\n\ ! <Key>osfBackSpace: delete-previous-character()\n ! =========================================================================== ! XTerm ! =========================================================================== !*vt100.translations: #override \ ! <Key>Home: string("[1~") \n\ ! <Key>Insert: string("[2~") \n\ ! <Key>BackSpace: string("[3~") \n\ ! <Key>End: string("[4~") !============================================================================= ! xterm defaults from OMS !============================================================================= ! ! !# In the scrollbar we map buttons 5 & 4 to 1 and 2 otherwise, core dump !# This will move proportionnaly to cursor position but we dont know how to !# program the same exact behavior as in the text widget. XTerm.vt100.Scrollbar.translations: #override\n\ <Btn5Down>: StartScroll(Forward)\n\ <Btn4Down>: StartScroll(Backward)\n\ XTerm.vt100.translations: #override\n\ Shift<Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>:scroll-back(1,line)\n\ Shift<Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>:scroll-forw(1,line)\n\ Ctrl<Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>:scroll-back(1,page)\n\ Ctrl<Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>:scroll-forw(1,page)\n\ <Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>:scroll-back(1,halfpage)\n\ <Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>:scroll-forw(1,halfpage)\n\ ! xterm (and friends) XTerm*highlightSelection: true ! Uncomment this to use color for the bold attribute XTerm*VT100*colorBDMode: on XTerm*VT100*colorBD: blue ! Uncomment this to use color for underline attribute XTerm.VT100*colorULMode: on XTerm.VT100*underLine: off XTerm*VT100*colorUL: magenta ! Uncomment this to display the scrollbar XTerm*scrollBar: true ! This resource specifies whether or not to ignore the 'alternate screen' ! of applications such as vi. When it is on, these applications will restore ! the contents of the screen when they are exited to what they were before ! they were started. When it is off, the contents of vi will remain on the ! screen after the program is quit. XTerm.VT100.titeInhibit: true ! Uncomment this to turn off color mode in your xterms !XTerm.VT100*colorMode: off XTerm.VT100*dynamicColors: on ! Number of lines of scrollback to save XTerm*saveLines: 1500 xterm*reverseWrap: true !*visualBell: true *visualBell: False *scrollTtyOutput: False *scrollKey: True !XTerm.vt100.Scrollbar.translations: #override\n\ ! <Btn5Down>: StartScroll(Forward)\n\ ! <Btn4Down>: StartScroll(Backward)\n\ xterm*background: LightYellow2 xterm.eightBitInput: true xterm*multiScroll: on xterm*jumpScroll: on xterm*ScrollBar: on xterm*SaveLines: 2000 ! xterm*VisualBell: true xterm.eightBitOutput: true !xterm*font: -adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-1 !xterm*font: -bitstream-terminal-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-1 xterm*font: 10x20 !This Stuff was cut from the top XTerm*Scrollbar*width: 16 XTerm*Scrollbar*height: 16 XTerm*Scrollbar*shadowWidth: 2 XTerm*Scrollbar*borderWidth: 3 XTerm*RightScrollBar: True *Scrollbar*width: 15 *Scrollbar*height: 15 *Scrollbar*shadowWidth: 2 *Scrollbar*borderWidth: 2 *Scrollbar*cursorName: top_left_arrow *Scrollbar*pushThumb: false *Label*shadowWidth: 2 *Label*borderWidth: 2 *shapeStyle: Rectangle *shadowWidth: 2 *SmeBSB*shadowWidth: 2 *Toggle*highlightThickness: 2 *MenuButton*highlightThickness: 2 *Command*highlightThickness: 2 *Panner*shadowThickness: 2 *SimpleMenu*shadowThickness: 2 *topShadowContrast: 20 *bottomShadowContrast: 45 *PushThumb: False - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- please note that I have included the Files in the body of the text to avoid hastle, if the delimiter confuses you you can always mail me for the raw files Owen ------------------------------ Date: 07 Jul 2001 15:37:39 +0100 From: MJ Ray <markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [Alug] Curious Well, I was getting some nasty errors on my CDROM recently while trying to play a CD that I knew worked before. XMMS just hung there, while xconsole showed errors about "SeekComplete DriveReady Error". So I rebuilt my kernel with only the drivers I actually use (removing the swsusp patch that makes my machine panic if I try to use it) and that didn't work. I installed ALSA (which debian have now got quite a nice build process for now, I think, although I hacked it about a little bit). The sound quality is absolutely loads better, but it still hung on the "bad" files. I searched around the net a bit, confident that my system was fairly neat and tidy now. Someone mentioned that they see that error when the CD is scratched. I took the CD out, polished it with the "Magic Cloth" I use on my glasses (3 pounds or so from Boots Opticians) and now it works. Ooops. -- MJR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:06:09 +0100 From: Andrew J Glover <flexifoil@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Alug] Small question Steve Kuo wrote:

Anyone know how I'd go about taking a screenshot? Not in KDE or anything, just plain bash

If you have Imagemagick (likely) installed, then : import -window root some.jpg Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:13:51 +0100 From: Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com Subject: [Alug] latest IRC list [this will appear on http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/articles/2001a/ircnames.html at midnight tonight, 16 July] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman@rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Suse contact Does anyone know of the LUG contact in SuSE? I remeber phoning someone before NLD but can't find the name or number. An email address would be useful. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman@rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Alug Book emporuim All, I have just spoken to pearson Education who are offering a discount on there books to ALUG members, we just have to put a link on the web page to there site which if we use gives us the discount. Pearson are offering Prentice hall books which are the publishers of books by Andrew Tanenbaum. Andrews books are some of the best technical ones out there, his book on OS's helped Linus no end when he was writting linux originally. Also his book "Computer Networks" 3rd edition is very good and recommended reading for all members. Whilst on the subject of books, I was thinking of taking Jens page on Lniux books and building it into a larger page with details of the ALUG discounts and also the recommended reading list. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:15:29 +0100 From: Andrew Savory <a.savory@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Alug] Sending information between databases On Wed, 11 Jul, 2001 at 9:50 +0100, Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. wrote:

It's a general question more than anything. Assume the database does not support native replication.

Hrm. All I can say is, perhaps it's time to consider a database that DOES support native replication? Doing it yourself is going to be at best tricky, at worst prone to errors and omissions. When you're talking about customers valuable data, this is a BAD thing. There's plenty of free databases out there that support it, so there's little cost argument against (aside from time to implement). Heck, even MySQL supports replication now, and you should all know my thoughts on *that* particular RDBMS-wannabe by now.... ;-) Andrew. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman@rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] BEER!!!!!! List, Is anyone on the list planning on going to the linux beer hike in belguim at the end of august? Seriously contemplating it. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman@rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Next Meet Is BOOKED All, I have booked Martlesham heath scout hut for the 12th august 2001. So the next meet will be sunday 12th August. I will be inviting some members of GLLUG and LONIX. The cost of the hall is £10 and I was going to cover this by raffling off a book and possibly a T-shirt. So Usual system now applies, let me know what you will be bringing in the way of hardware and that you will being coming. ALso Don't forget the LUG BBQ afterwoods. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman@rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Tempest True type font Does anyone know of a true type font which should screw up tempest equipment? I know pgp shipped with one but I need a free anti-tempest font. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman@rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Going Alpha All, My web site has now gone alpha. So could I ask for people to take a look and let me know of any bugs, speiling misstakes etc... Also constructive criticism would be nice. http://freemadi.alug.org.uk/ Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:00:12 +0100 (BST) From: Adam Bower <abower@thebowery.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Which Linux distibution, please? On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 Ruleng@aol.com wrote:

If there is not enough disk space for a recommended distribution, would it be possible for me to use only part of it at first, and which parts should a novice select? I would appreciate any advice that you could give me.

Oh yeah, there is also this HOW-TO document for getting linux on a laptop with less than 4Mb of RAM and a hard disk of around 200Mb which you can find here http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops.html which may be useful. I just had a look at the Slackware website and it does say the minimum system is 16Mb of RAM and 50Mb of harddisk so that may be more suitable for you http://www.slackware.org Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:39:08 +0100 (BST) From: oms101@freeuk.com Subject: RE: [Alug] Which Linux distibution, please? SuSe tends to be a bit bulky maybe debian, which I would not normally advice to A) a begginer B) some one without free internet access. ( I know Suse will install in that size though the default kernal is now pentium optimised so not 486 compatable) Owen (SuSe user) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:32:33 +0100 From: Steve Fosdick <fozzy@pelvoux.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Connection Trauma On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:06:58PM +0100, David Howe wrote:

Win2K machine is looking to 10.10.10.200 for web pages (for example) but is not getting any further i.e. getting no imformation from 10.10.10.200's ppp0 connection. ppp0 was set up in linuxconf rather than kppp and connects fine at boot and the "set default route" option is checked. I have no default route set as Linuxconf help suggested not to for ppp connections as they sort it themselves

As you have 10.something addresses on your LAN, simple IP forwarding will not be enough to enable the machines on your LAN to access the internet using the Linux box as a gateway. If you are only interested in web access then you could install a web proxy server like squid or wwwoffle on the Linux box and configure you LAN client to use the Linux box as a web proxy. This is an especially useful arrangement if you have more than one LAN client as the proxy can cache things and the cache is shared by all the clients. For other protocols (mail, news, games etc.) you will need to configure IP masquerading on the Linux box. There is a HOWTO on this at the Linux documentation project site (http://www.linuxdoc.org/) Steve. ------------------------------