June 2001 - main - earth.li

Re: [Alug] New Member
by MJ Ray 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

"John Seago" <john.seago(a)btinternet.com> writes: > My level of expertise extends to being able to work the keyboard and the > various on/off switches, but I am prepared to learn. > > It appears to me that I would make an ideal test-bed for the use of the > various forms of Linux as if you can get me to be able to use it with some > facility then it should be suitable for more general use. I have already > managed to convince my prospective son-in-law of its value and he has it > installed on his computer, we look forward to learning together. First suggestion: don't expect it to work in the same way as Windows. You have many many more options of what software to use, some of which will effect the basic appearance and behaviour of the system. So, what Linux would people suggest? Is Mandrake still the general recommendation for people starting off? Or is Debian now ready for the beginner, either on its own or via Progeny? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Grub Glorious Grub!
by MJ Ray 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > I have the package installed on Debian but I have not configured it yet, > It appears to not have all the info documentation in unstable :( [...] The package is in debian stable too, but it's not as simple as lilo to install yourself yet. -- MJR

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Grub Glorious Grub!
by terryfilby 01 Jul '01

01 Jul '01

Does anyone know if any distro (apart from Mandrake 7.2/8.0) uses Grub as well, or instead of, Lilo? Thanks Terry

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Re: [Alug] Secure FTP
by MJ Ray 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > nope, scp is in SSH 1 and 2 of the protocols. Nice. > sftp is a cross between scp and ftp over an SSL tunnel.. the sftp I thought sftp was an ssh invention? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Secure FTP
by MJ Ray 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

"Ashley T. Howes Ph.D." <ashley(a)turton.com> writes: > I was wondering if anyone knows of a secure FTP server. By secure I mean > the difference between telnet and SSH (so all traffic is encrypted in > transmit). I briefly saw references to scp (part of SSH) on a google > search. As anyone used this or could comment on alternatives? scp is version 1 ssh's copy program, I think. sftp is version 2's. ftp over ssl is another thing entirely. -- MJR

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=20
by John Seago 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

Can anyone tell me why my messages to ALUG have =20 at what I presume is the end of each line please? I would also like to know if they appear on all my messages and how to stop it happening. John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by MJ Ray 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > The window titles bit would be the work of your window manager [...] Indeed. nawm (Not A Window Manager) could be quite good for this if you can find it. Written by MIT hackers for some mad project a few years back, probably not dissimilar to this. > You can make the keyboard LEDs do lots of fun things! as Neill suggests a > quick look on Freshmeat would probably bring up the correct results. and a Anyone know a modem traffic one which works in X? That would be quite handy (stop me running gkrellm so much, at least). Especially if it flashed all three together for new email. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

The Amiga was a great machine... way better than any PC style hardware for years afterwards. In fact I still have my Amiga in the loft. Still trying to work out how I could get it on the Net. I need a harddisk, a network card and probably a bit more memory than the 1MB it currently has in it. Andi Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> on 29/06/2001 13:16:01 To: neill(a)entora.co.uk cc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI@FTI, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Neill Newman wrote: > Adam Bower wrote: > > > > > > We have one at work :) well a guy at work brought his in from home, I > > think that the 3/60 existed in the days before the 486 even? > > eerrr... I thought the 3/60 was a 486 ?? or was it a 386 ?? > Sz Nah, just checked with the guys at work it was an 68020 with optional 68881, they also had the tape drive and SCSI box as an external unit! Anyway while we drift more and more off-topic you can look here for more Sun specs http://www.sunhelp.org/faq/sunref1.html according to that FAQ they did make a 386 and 486 workstation. but back in those days I was using Amigas.... mmmm Amiga Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Yes, you're right there Adam.... ...arrh the old Sun 3/60's... I remember using them way way back in the mists of time!! The days when 486's were fast! Andi Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> on 28/06/2001 18:37:27 To: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI@FTI cc: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Andrew Chandler wrote: > There used to be a classic little utility called 'Cylon' that would flash > the 4 keyboard lights back and forth on ye olde SparcStations... The old Suns (3/60s I think) also had a strip of leds on the back of the case that did this Cylon thing to let you know it was running ok. Although this may of just been remembered wrong but it was something like that. Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Nope.. a Motorola 68k chip... #include<http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~kim/faq/part1> <snip> 3/60 Processor(s): 68020 @ 20MHz, 68881 (stock), Sun-3 MMU, 8 hardware contexts, 3 MIPS CPU: 501-1205/1322/1334/1345 Chassis type: wide pizza box Bus: P4 connector (not same as P4 on 3/80) Memory: 24M physical, 256M virtual, 200ns cycle Notes: VRAM monochome frame buffer for 501-1205/1334. Optional color frame buffer (can run mono and color simultaneously) on P4 connector. Onboard SCSI. SIMM memory (100ns 1M x 9 SIMMs). High (1600 * 1100) or low (1152 * 900) resolution mono selectable by jumper. Thin coax or AUI Ethernet. Code-named "Ferrari". 4M stock on 501-1205/1322, 0M stock on 501-1322/1345. </snip> Andi... wondering if they do a Deep Pan Stuffed Crust version with extra cheese! Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> on 29/06/2001 12:49:57 To: abower(a)thebowery.co.uk cc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI@FTI, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config Adam Bower wrote: > > > We have one at work :) well a guy at work brought his in from home, I > think that the 3/60 existed in the days before the 486 even? eerrr... I thought the 3/60 was a 486 ?? or was it a 386 ?? Sz -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368 ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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