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RE: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by Earl Brannigan 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi again > because Java is lovely, well thought out language, I do admit that the > implementation is a little dodgy ;).... > > > in that case I might as well use VB or even C# (yyyyyak!). > > now you are being silly ;).. > OK I am being silly, I mean VB .NET ;o) > yep, I'll give you some of those, although I might argue that "Faster, > More robust, reducing programmer effort" depends greatly on the > programmer... And since I am the programmer in question the point still stands!! No seriously, actually writing effective generic templates often takes longer than writing 400 very similar classes. >c++ is actually very nasty in a OO sense.. it is C with > object orientation and loads of other 'usefull' things bolted on.. pure > C is nice, C++ is not imho ;).. > Modern C++ (as opposed to Classic/Common C++) is not C extended, it is not a superset of C, it is a separate, albeit related language. Give me well written modern C++ anytime. (though I do love C, I take this view because I actually learned C++ b4 C and found that way around that C seems very 'limited'). > > No runtime stuff required... compile and run...done. (ok so you have to > > compile for each platform but at least you don't need a massive > > installation of an SDK/JRE just to write your code and test it). > > yep, I agree with that....although there are some issues involved with > porting code (32->64 bits, different memory architectures for example).. > Java just works in these instances.. True. > but how do you know you are in the real world right now ? you might be > inhabiting a virtual mnachine in somebody's mind as we speak ;).. I am actually inhabiting a solar system that is in fact a carbon compound molecule in someone's kitchen table in a parallel and infinitely larger (though relatively equal sized) universe. > aahh step over to the greener side of the grass, I've been using > Java/C++ for 7 years now, and for what I do (network programming/console > based apps) Java is very cute. Once thing I will say here.. Java and GUI > do not mix well.. I can't stand Java GUI's, they are a pig to get right, > and each architecture handles them differently.. definatly C/C++ for > gui's ;).. Yep, geve up trying to get swing components to look good after a couple of weeks and used C++ builder instead. cheers Earl

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by David Freeman 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

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Re: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by Adam Bower 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Earl Brannigan wrote: > > just a quick note, which day is everybody planning on going ?? knowing > > my luck I'll turn up on the wrong day !!! Ok I have now officialy changed the day I am going to the Thursday (damn less freebies!) though will probably change again so it is probably best to ignore me until next week :) could perhaps we have a big organising session on who is going on which day on Mondays IRC? Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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RE: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by Earl Brannigan 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi Scoobz Why Java?..... in that case I might as well use VB or even C# (yyyyyak!). No, C++ for the following reasons : Faster, More robust, templates enable compiler code generation, reducing programmer effort. NOT Proprietary (ie FREE). No runtime stuff required... compile and run...done. (ok so you have to compile for each platform but at least you don't need a massive installation of an SDK/JRE just to write your code and test it). What's more....ALUG members already inhabit a world of their own, why stick em in a virtual machine as well? No...much safer as true compiled binary entities, sanity could be affected otherwise : Imagine waking up one day, realising you inhabit another world, deciding to return to reality only to find that reality is only virtual afterall. Better to find the real world when the light comes on... The Russian Doll complexes generated within each alugite would require very capable virtual psychologists to mend their tiny minds (Or so much virtual beer and pizza that the JRE would crash!) What's more, Alugites, being lovers of freedom could well suffer terrible repercussions should they one day discover "(c) Sun Microsystems" stamped all over their little worlds.... waking up in a virtual machine and then having to agree to a license in order to function......now that is scary! And finally, C++ makes it much easier to code overflowable buffers into each member, to be used in conjunction with my new proprietary 'Take over the world by rooting Linux Users' program, which does exactly what it says on the tin (written in C however for even greater performance... will have to be run on an i386 with 2mb of RAM - but thats another story). Sorry 'bout that bit of existential nonesense, the truth is I can't write java. Sussed! Regs Earl PS Aaaaaargghh to you too! On 28 June 2001 13:03, Neill Newman [SMTP:neill@entora.co.uk] wrote: > Earl Brannigan wrote: > > > > > > Have set out below a functional C++ code framework. Feel Free to edit to > > include yourself ... I have commented where to do this, a simple copy and > > paste replacing details with your own should suffice > > > aarrgghh, write it in Java and I might read it ;).. > > /me puts on flame proof suit, rubbber boots and non-explodable > underpants > Sz > > -- > Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ > Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368

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Re: [Alug] A complete beginners view
by Neill Newman 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

John Seago wrote: > > Yes it is Red hat 7.1 (Seawolf), I would be grateful for any suggestions you > may have. > John Seago John, I've posted this to the alug list as well, I hope you don't mind as I'm sure others may get caught by this... anyway.. I had this problem a few weeks ago, and it racked my brains for hours.. under one user, all the gnome apps worked, under a different user the gnome apps all crashed out.. The reason was that the applications were trying to retrieve their locale info, which is set by gdm at login. All new users have no locale set, and the gnome apps don't like this one bit. The solution is simple. goto a freshly booted RH7.x box, and select the "english/british" locale from the language menu, then login, all apps should now work flawlessly, well as flawlessly as can be expected ;) I'm not sure who's mistake this is, Redhat/Gnome/User....but I suppose that is what happens when you try to cram locale's into a gui ;)... anyway, I hope this cures all your problems, let me know how you get on... Regards Sz > > On Thursday 28 June 2001 8:31 am, you wrote: > > just a quickie.. Is this redhat 7.0/7.1? if so I might know what is > > happening... > > > > John Seago wrote: > > > Having now got over the initial euphoria of actually having a working > > > (?), (see later), set of "Linux", Chris, my daughters fiancee, and I have > > > now come up against several problems, In my case numbers of applications > > > just don't work,and trying them delivers a bug report window> -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368

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Re: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by Neill Newman 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Earl Brannigan wrote: > > > Have set out below a functional C++ code framework. Feel Free to edit to > include yourself ... I have commented where to do this, a simple copy and > paste replacing details with your own should suffice aarrgghh, write it in Java and I might read it ;).. /me puts on flame proof suit, rubbber boots and non-explodable underpants Sz -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368

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A complete beginners view
by John Seago 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Having now got over the initial euphoria of actually having a working (?), (see later), set of "Linux", Chris, my daughters fiancee, and I have now come up against several problems, In my case numbers of applications just don't work,and trying them delivers a bug report window> I can't believe that a complete system was sent out with a non working spreadsheet, time manager, and other bits that just don't work. I am of the opinion that I haven't installed or set up the system properly or may have installed something that needs other, installed items to work. I am not pleading for help here, unless I can manage to work this out for myself, or in concert with Chris I am not going to get anywhere. the main problem Have is that whatever source of written information I find, I have yet to find one that does not presuppose a certain amount of prior knowledge/experience, which I just don't have. I fact I have to admit that deep down I have a sneaking suspicion that mention of daemons/demons in the long list of scroll down print at the start of the log-in process actually refers to real demons/imps/goblins/elves/fairies that live inside the box to the left of my screen whose main purpose in life is to frustrate me. However both Chris and I are determined to persevere and to learn, so expect to see us at a meeting some time. I now have to start some intense reading. John Seago

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Parking for Linux Expo....
by Simon Parkes 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi All... Just a quick note about parking, there's very little in the Earls Court Area, I work near there and what I have found easiest is parking in (well near it!!) the Dome (£3 per day), and getting the tube accross town. It's also easier to get to the dome from the M11 or A12 as from the M11 you can just go straight on from the A406 and instead of going along the A13 through the Blackwall tunnel go accross the Woowich Ferry turn right and follow the road, you see a demented albino turtle with yellow legs after about 5 miles on the right .... I'm hoping to go down on the 5th, so hope to see some of you guys down there.. Simon

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Re: [Alug] I'm receiving no messages
by MJ Ray 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

"Ashley T. Howes Ph.D." <ashley(a)turton.com> writes: > I have stopped receiving messages on both my work and home account from ALUG There was an electrical shutdown at UEA on Saturday morning. Various other people don't trust sysadmins to power down machines safely in good time and cause system failures instead. Grrr... -- MJR

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RE: Linux Expo...
by Earl Brannigan 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi all, Re my note earlier... just to clarify for anyone considering taking up my offer. I am based in Gazeley Nr Newmarket, I am more than willing to collect people within a reasonable radius but obviously not too far. If you live pretty far afield and you can get a local train to any station close to me for about 8:00am I will collect you. I'm sure Kennet (the closest to me) Bury and Newmarket stations are all served from Ipswitch (unless I am very much mistaken). Collection from any of these is absolutely no problem. Of course if you live within what you would consider a reasonable distance from Gazeley then let me know where and I'll see about collecting you at home. I was thinking of being on-the-road no later than 8:30 ... is that reasonable ? (sorry I don't have the times with me while writing this but I usually make the M25 within 50 mins) So an ETA of between 10-10:30. Obviously if we can get going earlier so much the better. I think that pretty much covers it. Have had 2 enquiries so far. Cheers Earl

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