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Re: Window managers // was Re: [Alug] Website
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > > I still don't understand why non-hackers like E so much. Surely the > Wash your mouth out. Now let's see: spend CPU on making pretty pictures or spend CPU on doing useful stuff... I know which I choose. E is bad for the environment, using all that extra electricity on machines that would otherwise have idle time. ;-) > But the point is that nothing is perfect for everyone (arguably anyone). > So the best one can do is to supply a good design, then give people the > tools to turn it into their private utopia. What E itself does is provide essentially no interface design, though. It's not even a good starting point. People still have the tools anyway...

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Re: alug request rejected
by Alexis Lee 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the I wrote: > Attached is the current jobs.xml. Have a look, it's not scary. > If anyone would like to be put down for any of the categories (Editors, > Hosts, Experts, Others), mail me. Sorry guys, you're not going to be allowed to review this. Could it not just append MIME text/plain to the end of the message? Bah humbug. Never mind, it'll be on the web tomorrow, have a look then. Alexis

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Excellent 'Doze piss-take!
by Laurie Brown 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

You people will really like this! http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/21211.html Cheers, Laurie.

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Re: [Alug] tty puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Jo wrote: >So, stay up all night watching it and see what it does ;) Jo, you are such a comfort in times of need.

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Window managers // was Re: [Alug] Website
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > As am I, I would merely suggest blackbox over E on non-decent > computers. And E has those extra features that make things a bit > comfier than blackbox. [...] I still don't understand why non-hackers like E so much. Surely the only attraction is that you can write a bit of code to totally change the user interface and force you to re-learn it all? Then again, if the interface is the best possible one at the start, there would be no need to rewrite it... configurability is a poor substitute for a good design. I'm currently using a very simple window management setup. Windows just have a bar along their top edge, which contains the title. You grab it with the left button to move them, click with the middle to shade the window, or the left to sink the window behind all others. There's a box at the right-hand end. A left click minimises, middle resizes the window and right destroys it. There is a small panel at the bottom, mostly like a task bar, but with up/down buttons to flip desktops and edge buttons to hide it. There is a small corner panel at top-left, containing icons to start programs, although I'm likely to get rid of that and start using an Apps folder again soon. This is done with sapphire and rox... both devel lists are regular love-ins and you can find both at sourceforge.

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Re: [Alug] Website
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Andrew Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Hi Alexis, Is this meant for the list? > This is pretty much my view too. I cant be responsible for them all, > but would gladly share it with someone else. So probably alternating > each one is best? There are two parts, really: the venue and the promotion. If one does one and the other the other, it should go wonderfully. > And I dont mind who does October first. Are you a student there? Which > year? Im year 2 sys student. After a quick look, im guessing this > might be you? > http://www.uea.ac.uk/menu/staff_and_students/enrol/ueanetwork/SYS/9953647.h… That made me panic, as that URL wouldn't be restricted. The correct URL is http://www.uea.ac.uk/menu/staff_and_students/enrol/ueanetwk/SYS/9953647.html and you need either a UEA central login or a sick VPN like mine to see it. I still think that stuff being published is an invasion of privacy.

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Re: [Alug] Alug web site - back to Apache
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Martyn Drake <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:13:06 -0400 Alexis Lee wrote: > > There's a Perl CGI script called FormMail which lets you get this > > kind of thing very easily. If you go to support.nicnames.net they > > have a lovely page about it somewhere. I don't think that this was originally sent to the list, else I would have felt compelled to point out that there are many very buggy versions of formmail out there which allow all sorts of nasties to be done to your server.

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Re: [Alug] Website
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:56:45 -0400 Alexis Lee wrote: > Hiya, > I'm going to be webmonking for ALUG soon, so as a first step could > I have nominations for people who do stuff for ALUG. Is that webmonk as in perl monk or web monkeying with a missing ey? Anyway, good luck! :o) > Currently I have Mark and I as web editors, Freeman as bookmonkey > and Adam as FAQ maintainer. If the venue organisers would like their > names to go on the jobs list as well as on the individual venue pages, > drop me a mail. I am the book monkey, also professional sceptic and also put me down for wireless monkey. > Also I would like to compile a list of definitive web references for > various things. I have a few programming language ones (Java, C, PHP, > ASP) and a few web ones (HTML, CSS, neither perfect). Does this sound > a good idea? It probably isn't a good idea to start linking to compile > instructions, since we'd end up having a link to every cool project on > the web. C == The new testiment/Bible/'C Programming Language' by Kernighan and Richie Java == Java in a nutshell, Thinking in Java, Core Java HTML == http://werbach.com/barebones/ PHP == /dev/null Ask me specifics and I can help. > Speaking of which, one of my .sig quotes is a list of a few cool > things I've found. Would this make a good page (with a broken links > disclaimer at the top, and lots of contributions)? Focus on utilities > that open up new areas (IE expect, cron/at) rather than apps which > merely do their job well (IE mozilla, IMHO). Go ahead, could be interesting > Heck, maybe an article discussing the perceived merits of each distro? > If we could get an advocate from each distro, an article would come > together quickly. Note I wish to focus purely on why one ought to use > distro X, rather than not use distro Y. <fx action="light blue touch paper and retire to safe distance"> Why not add which editor, browser, window manager, shell, mail client etc... :o) Thanks D > Alexis > -- > "All programmers are optimists" - Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. > Failure- When your best just isn't good enough. > "Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that" > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Website
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

PHP stuff: http://www.php.net/tut.php http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/SoothinglySeamless/ http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/programming/php/tutorials/tutorial4.html http://www.phpbuilder.com/ Downloadable books : linux programming and VIM http://www.newriders.com/opl/ Debian guide http://www.newriders.com/debian/html/noframes/debian-tutorial.html Linux tips http://www.scrounge.org/index.html#linux Samba http://infobase.informit.com/linux/content/bookframe.html?0672316099 TomCat/Apache HowTo http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-3.2-doc/tomcat-apache-howto.html#ht…

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sabcmd
by oms101＠freeuk.com 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

could you please put sabcmd in the cvs system as then it will be simpler to setup and get started with the web site. If this is a bad idea due to the size of sabcmd why because we have all got to use it to produce alug web pages. so it might as well come all in one peace. Owen Date: 23-Aug-01 Time: 00:24:08

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