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European Elections
by John Seago 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

On Thursday we all have the chance, together with our families, friends and all those we can influence to vote in the European Election. Look here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~mikepitt/cambridge_politics/euro04.html Scroll down to the table that shows the previous results. It seems to me that if we made a concerted effort despite our own political convictions to vote UKIP we may be able to unseat the sitting Lib Dem! This will send message, very painful for the man, who will lose an income of about £75000 > £100000 and expenses, to the man, and the party, that due to their voting against our interests in the last parliament we have decided to vote against their interests in this election. This can be rammed home if he does get unseated by sending him, or the Lib Dems office an email telling them that those against Software patents worked to unseat a Candidate of the party that voted the 'wrong way'! Its brutal and unkind, but it will let Politicians know that we are a force to be reckoned with! -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] European Elections
by John Seago 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

On Wednesday 09 June 2004 00:35, BenEBoy <psychoferret(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: > But UKIP is a single issue group. If you don't agree with that single > issue then you shouldn't vote for them. In the grand scheme of > things, the UK withdrawing from Europe is more important than > software patents (*dons flame proof trousers*). People shouldn't vote > for UKIP just because they agree with *one* of their policies. Offered a choice between one Candidate I agree with 90% but not the last 10% on an issue on which I am campaigning, and another with whom I don't agree at all, except on that one point, where neither candidate is going to form, with others, a big enough grouping to have much effect, then I'll vote for the latter! > I'm sorry, but unless they election was *very* close, he's not going > to care at all. How many people would vote against him because of > patents? <100? <50? It's an important issue, but a minor one to most > voters. From what I've seen, heard and read, it might indeed be that close, if Andrew Duff loses by ONE vote, and then 200 voters tell him its because they worked to send a message on software patents and voting records, then both he, and the rest of his party who did get elected, are going to pay attention. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Meeting report: City Gate Thursday 10 June
by Kirsten Naylor 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

A very convivial meeting; myself (wildduck), Adam (quinophex), Jonathan (Noodles), Elisabeth (sunflowerinrain), Brett (iDunno) and Graham. Great fun had by all! We were there from 8pm (latest arrivals around 9pm) till 11.30pm. Hopefully more faces next time - remember, second Thursday of the month at the City Gate. /Kirsten

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Meeting: City Gate, tonight, 8pm!
by Kirsten Naylor 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

We're all meeting at 8pm in the City Gate, as per http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Directions can be found here http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/citygate.html See you all tonight :) /Kirsten

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Re: [ALUG] European Elections
by John Seago 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

On Thursday 10 June 2004 06:25, Adam <adam(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > > Scroll down to the table that shows the previous results. It seems to > > me that if we made a concerted effort despite our own political > > convictions to vote UKIP we may be able to unseat the sitting Lib Dem! > > No, error, bad! wrong! European Parliament elections (AIUI) use a > proportional representation system and going by the results of the last > election is possibly not a good idea. So far I have read that many of > the main parties (especially Conservatives and Labour) are losing votes > to minority parties, so what everyone *must* do is vote, as every vote > for a party that isn't a main party means you make their share of the > vote smaller, at least then even votes for something scary like the BNP > will give the main parties less seats. So like Alan Cox said vote Green > or UKIP (personally I feel the UKIP has more against it than for it) or > one of the other minority parties, I don't suppose anyone knows Martin > Bells position on software patents? I do apologise if that was not what I wrote, I am taking rather a lot of prescription pain-killers lately and this has some effect on my abilities, (luckily the side effect is that I don't care). My intention was to make exactly the same point as Adam has. Even were I to re-read my original post, I know from past experience that I would only see what I meant to write. UKIP may not appear very attractive, however they do appear to be the front runners of the minor parties, but the real point is to VOTE, but NOT for the three big parties. When its political parties, is it party's or parties? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Article on Open Source Telephony
by Chris Glover 09 Jun '04

09 Jun '04

Hi, I just got this from the Asterisk mailing list, thought it might be of interest to some. "Is open source IP telephony ready for prime time? Yes" by Zenas Hutcheson, St. Paul Venture Capital Network World, 06/07/04 http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2004/0607faceoffyes.html http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2004/0607faceoffno.html Enjoy Chris -- Chris ---------------------------------- E Mail: chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk SIP: 84411389(a)voiptalk.org IAXTEL: 17003366726

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Duplicates
by Anthony Anson 09 Jun '04

09 Jun '04

I keep getting duplicates from the list, is anyone else? It has to be this list because the last download only had mail from here. (If not I shall have to turn duplicate check off and wait...) -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ God sends the meat, the Devil sends the cooks.

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Norwich Internet Cafe
by Syd Hancock 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

(Sorry this isn't in the main thread) 1. This could be a perfect venue for some sunday afternoon meetings if that was OK with Lewis. Bandwidth, easy to get to, plenty of parking etc. 2. Is it time to think again about how often to have sunday meetings in Norwich? A year ago it was agreed to have them every three months so that meetings in other parts of the region wouldn't be stifled but apart from BJ at Syleham there haven't been many, if any, other w/e meetings. If we *could* use the Norwich Internet Cafe in the market on a sunday afternoon then how about every other month? Syd

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LibDems and software patents
by Alex Macfie 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

> > http://www.linux.org.uk/open.l.html> > /Kirsten> > Me too - thanks for the link - kinda summarises well what I've found out > so far, however on the wider scale of things I personally would prefer > voting Libdems who weren't mentioned there but I understand they are > also more receptive to our 'cause'. > > LibDem MEPs voted for software patents (ignoring party policy). For this they have come in for considerable criticism within the party. Full UK MEP voting data: http://www.ffii.org.uk/votes/swpat/country/UK.html Alex

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Re: [ALUG] Norwich Internet Cafe meetings?
by Brett Parker 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 06:04:23PM +0100, Chris Walker wrote: > On Fri 30 Apr, Lewis Allen wrote: > > > > Thank you to everyone who took the time to comment on our offer of the > > Internet Cafe in Norwich Market as an additional venue for ALUG evening > > meetings. It would appear from the replies, so far, that a pub is still > > the much prefered venue. No matter, I am quite fond of beer too and often > > to be found in the Fat Cat sampling the Adnams. > > Adnams? You need to get out more ;-) The Fat Cat is about as out as you can get for good beer selection, obviously they're a die hard adnams fan, or not very adventurous ;) I don't think I've ever had the same drink on different sessions in the Fat Cat, wander in, pick something random from the vast selection, drink, if it's good stick to it for that session, if not, switch again and keep going till one that is good (doesn't usually take long ;) *grin* Ta, -- Brett Parker

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