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Re: Boot Partitions
by John Seago 28 May '04

28 May '04

I have tried a seperate experiment with the boot partitions which as far as I can tell has seemed to work. The installation of Debian however was an entirely different matter. Being armed with "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" published in 1999 was of dubious value. The installer presented me with a plethora of questions which I didn't understand, let alone know the answers to, still blundered on and succeded in getting a poor broken thing which it will be kinder to re-format. One problem being that my hardware seems to be too new for the version of X, perhaps I could have got round that but I sem to have borken it so that it won't let me log in as root on a console. Another try is in order, as I don't know what I did wrong I'll just have to blunder through until I get one I can mend after installation. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Temporary goodbye
by Syd Hancock 28 May '04

28 May '04

To all ALUGers: Unfortunately various events and commitments mean that I will be curtailing some of my extra activities for a while. These will have to include the amount of time I spend being involved with mailing lists etc and going to meetings of various types including ALUG. I hope that the evening meetings will continue regularly and that the meeting planned for the end of June at UEA is also very successful. Note that MJR will give a talk. More details on the website. Maybe one of the Norwich regulars could volunteer to announce the monthly meetings to the lists. I will probably not be reading the list for some time so if there are any comments that you want to be sure that I see, please direct them to my email address. Best wishes to all and many thanks for all the advice and support over the past three years. Hopefully I have contributed something useful in return. Syd

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[Alug Announce]Meetings 30 May, 10 June, Goodbye Syd, Help!
by MJ Ray 27 May '04

27 May '04

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The next Sunday meeting is in Syleham on 30 May from about 2pm. There will be a talk about the euro-elections helping or harming ALUG. Venue and meeting details: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/05-30Sun.html The next 'second thursday' evening meeting in Norwich will be held on Thursday, the 10th of June at the City Gate, Dereham Road, from about 8pm. Venue and meeting details: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Syd Hancock is taking a break, so we need someone else to co-ordinate Norwich meetings, remembering to announce and publicise them. Read Syd's goodbye at http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-May/018838.html -- Thanks for all your work over the last few years, Syd! -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing Help hack the EuroParl! http://mjr.towers.org.uk/proj/eurovote/ ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Early reminder: Norwich evening meeting on 10th June
by Syd Hancock 27 May '04

27 May '04

The next 'second thursday' evening meeting in Norwich will be held this Thursday, the 10th of June at the City Gate, Derham Road, from about 8pm. Full details are on the ALUG website: Venue and meeting details: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Venue: full address, photo, link to map etc here: http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/pubpages/citygate.htm Syd

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New
by Sue Green 27 May '04

27 May '04

Hi Just dropping a hello in here. My name is Sue and I'm trying to convert from windows to Linux (why does it sound like AA meeting when you start with my name is ....) Anyway, have installed Cygwin on an NT machine for SSH fun and games and looking to replace the current server type unit here with a Linux one in the next round of upgrades. I'm officially IT manager of a small (um, two people including me) company, learning as I go. Anyhoos, I work in Ipswich, live in Kesgrave.. Will be lurking about reading your comments and might chip in with a few dumb questions here and there. Sue www.datadesign.co.uk www.textravaganza.com

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Software Patents
by John Seago 27 May '04

27 May '04

I have recieved this from the Green Party, which I find rather strange, I'd prefer everything in writing. any advice? Margaret Wright has offered to speak to you by 'phone - best probably to email her your tel no. From: Stephen Lawrence, 8 Supanee Court, French's Road, Cambridge, England, CB4 3LB. Tel/Fax +44 1223 564373 -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Boot partitions
by John Seago 27 May '04

27 May '04

later today I am planning to attempt, after years of using Slackware, an installation of Debian. I have two questions: a) I have the kernel for my Slackware in its own boot partition, as this suits my hardware I intend to use it for the Debian. Can I take it that the proceedure for using the same boot partition for two OS's is to delete the boot file from the second and write the boot partition into /etc/fstab and then reboot? b) I have the seven disks for Debian 3.0 r0, can I take it that I only need to buy the update disk for the latest version to upgrade to the latest stable version? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #164 - 9 msgs
by John Seago 26 May '04

26 May '04

On Wednesday Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> wrote: > I thought it might be worth replying to point out that the wishes of > the elected representatives are being thrown aside and if they wish > to prevent s/w patents they will need to vote against them when the > proposals come before the European Parliament again later this > year. As far as I was aware that was the intention, was it not? (See my initial post of Sunday).: > Just send this: > <What is the XXXXX party's policy on Software patents within europe?> > to the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, BNP, Greens, English > Democrats and the Indepedents. It serves to make them think, and raises > the matter as an issue in this election. You can then follow it up with > whatever Mark has later -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software Patents
by John Seago 26 May '04

26 May '04

I have received the following from the Green Party: "I can confirm that the Green Party is opposed to the EU proposals on software patenting, and supports open source operating systems such as Linux. The GP also wishes to see an end to the effective Microsoft monopoly in many software applications. Margaret Wright, our lead candidate for the European Election, attended a meeting in Brussels last month, at which the Federation of European Green Parties took this view. yours sincerely, John Matthissen Campaign Co-ordinator" -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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[Alug Announce][lugmaster] FW: SANE 2004: Call for Posters (fwd)
by MJ Ray 26 May '04

26 May '04

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2004-05-17 21:06:46 +0100 From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk(a)lug.org.uk> Subject: [lugmaster] FW: SANE 2004: Call for Posters could you please pass this Call for Posters for SANE 2004 around?? The deadline is approaching and we need posters :) http://www.nluug.nl/events/sane2004/CfPosters.html ---------------------------------- Call for Posters 4th International SANE Conference September 27 - October 1, 2004 RAI Centre, Amsterdam, The Netherlands A conference organized by the NLUUG, the UNIX User Group - The Netherlands Co-sponsored by Stichting NLnet and with the co-operation of USENIX, the Advanced Computing Systems Association OVERVIEW Technology is advancing, the systems administration profession is changing rapidly, and you have to master new skills to keep apace. At the 4th International SANE (System Administration and Network Engineering) technical conference and tutorial tracks you'll find a wealth of opportunities to meet other system administrators and network (security) professionals with similar interests, while attending a program that brings you the latest in tools, techniques, security and networking. You can learn from tutorials, refereed papers and invited talks. The official language at the conference will be English. The conference will be located at the Amsterdam RAI Congress Centre. Included in the conference are: * Tutorial Program (September 27-29) * Technical Conference (September 30 - October 1) * Exhibition (September 30 - October 1) POSTER SESSIONS The SANE Posters provide an excellent forum for authors to present their work in an informal and interactive setting. Posters are ideal for presenting speculative, late-breaking results or for giving an introduction to interesting, innovative work. Posters are intended to provide authors and participants with the ability to connect with each other and to engage in discussions about the work. The posters will provide information about the applications, architecture, implementation, performance and security of modern computing systems and IP networks. Posters that present Work In Progress and draw important conclusions from practical experience are especially welcome. Posters are being solicited in areas including but not limited to: * Security tools and techniques: IPsec, Network Intrusion Detection * Systems, Firewalls, VPNs, practical cryptography, auditing and * computer forensics * Attacks against networks and machines, including denial-of-service * attacks * Adventures in nomadic and wireless computing * Web security fundamentals and practical web site maintenance * Integrating new networking technologies like IPv6 * Network monitoring and traffic shaping solutions * System and network performance tuning * Managing enterprise-wide email and fighting spam * Innovative system administration tools and techniques * Distributed or automated system administration * Managing large amounts of computers * Unix on the desktop (including MacOS X) REFEREED POSTER SUBMISSIONS Successful posters are carefully designed to convey technical details. They should also attract the attention of attendees as they stroll past the displays. The goal is to develop a poster that encourages and facilitates small groups of individuals interested in a technical area to gather and interact. Posters will be reviewed and selected by the Poster Committee. An award will be given at the conference for the best poster. A submission must include an abstract of up to 400 words. Including a rough sketch of the poster is recommended. Also include the URL of a web site related to the poster, if applicable. Submissions must be done through this web form Authors of accepted submissions must provide a one or two page summary for publication in the conference proceedings. This brings the subject to an even larger audience. These summaries are held in the highest confidence prior to publication in the conference proceedings. By agreeing to present your poster at SANE 2004, you also give permission to the SANE 2004 conference organizers to publish the poster and summary on the NLUUG and SANE web sites. PRACTICAL * One author per accepted poster can attend the conference, * exhibition and social event free of charge, excluding travel and * lodging expenses. * The posters will be located in a public area, close to the * exhibition, viewable for all conference attendees. * The size of the board for the poster is about 1.40 meter wide and * 1.00 meter high. Note that this is landscape orientation! Push * pins can be used to attach material to the board. * There is a small table beside each poster with room for leaflets * and a laptop for a live demo. If you need more room consider * getting a booth at the exhibition. * The posters are to be set up Wednesday evening, September 29. * During both lunch breaks someone must be present at the poster to * interact with conference attendees. At other times this is also * possible, putting a time schedule on the poster is recommended. IMPORTANT DATES Submission due: June 7, 2004 Notification to authors: June 28, 2004 Summary due: August 16, 2004 CONFERENCE ORGANIZERS Poster Committee sane2004-poster(a)sane.nl Bram Moolenaar (chair) Armijn Hemel, Utrecht University, Utrecht, NL Hans Onvlee, Stichting NLnet, Den Bosch, NL Peter Honeyman, CITI, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, USA Event Organization sane2004-org(a)sane.nl Wytze van der Raay, treasurer, Stichting NLnet, Amsterdam, NL Mari??lle Klatten and Sabina Beeke, conference organizers, ICONIQ, Baarn, NL _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster(a)mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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