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[Alug]Suggestion: 3 month plan
by MJ Ray 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

It seems that to get some publicity (magazines, some what's on guides) for a formal meeting, we need to agree date and venue three months in advance. Can we do this? Who can keep track of this? Should we do this? I think it's totally impractical to do for the social meetings, though. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at

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[Alug]Distro Survey
by Keith Watson 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

Finally got organised enough to collate the replies to date. So far I've got 12 here on my UKFSN account (there are a couple more that were sent to my work email a/c and I'll add them in later). So it seems that 8 of the responders used a single distro, 2 of you had 2 distros installed, one had 3 distros installed and one brave soul has 5 distros (counting Knoppix, etc). Most of the responders had at least 2 machines with GNU/Linux running on them, 3 of you had 5 boxen set up and one had 7. Only me and one other person had a single system to play with. Debian seemed to be the most popular distro with the respondents. In all 8 of you said it was your distro of choice. 2 of you preferred Red Hat, one LFS, one Slackware and one Mandrake. Other distros you also use for various reasons are; Red Hat, Slackware, SUSE, Gentoo, OpenZaurus (is this a distro?), Smoothwall, Knoppix and Morphix. 9 respondents have dual boot set-ups with Windows and there were 3 hard core purists who win the RMS award! :o) So in summary based on the limited sample; Debian is the most commonly installed distro, mostly on at least 2 machines and usually dual boot with Windows. Maybe we should have a web page with these figures displayed in some sort of tabular form and also a standing invite for people to email me with their own setups. I could collate them from time to time and update the page. Keith ------------------------- But still, it moves! - Galileo

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[Alug]GCC and the C166
by Ian Bell 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

I append a copy of an article on Hitec's web site concerning their 'new components' for gcc that allow it to compile for the C166 micro. Any comments? Some Myths Dispelled About GNU-C For C166 (and Tricore)…. The C166 has two excellent "commercial" C compilers from Keil and Tasking. There is however a third compiler from Hightec EDV that is based on the GNU-C but which costs about the same as the two well known offerings. However there is a widespread belief that as this compiler is based on GNU-C, it is "free" and some have complained that Hightec's £2000 licence charge is unreasonable and not in the spirit of the Free Software Foundation. As a result, some people are using copies of the Hightec GNU-C for C166 downloaded from various websites or circulated by email. In fact the licence position with the GNU-C for C166 is that the parts defined by Hightec to allow C166 code generation are proprietary and therefore are chargeable. This is (apparently) within the scope of the GNU T&C's and thus Hightec's work is not available from GNU free of charge. Indeed the first line of the GNU public licence says "free is not free" and here, "free" means unimpeded or unbounded rather than without charge. Thus it is acceptable to make money from GNU-derived software like the GNU-C compiler. Programmers are not obliged to put into the public domain new components they have developed for GNU compilers. It is only changes to the core of the compiler that must be made public and lodged with GNU. Thus Hightec's C166 code generator and front-end processor are chargeable. Therefore people using the Hightec GNU-C without a Hightec licence are not strictly legal. Hightec to some extent are doing what Red Hat and Montevista have done with Linux i.e. take loads of disparate pieces of software and make a shrink-wrapped, complete embedded toolchain, in this case for C166 (and Tricore). If you have any queries on this, please email us! Ian

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[Alug]Elmswell film
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

>Hi people, > >> >Can I ask that if you are going to come to this meeting (or are just thinking >about it) can you let me know so we have an idea of numbers? > >Thanks >Adam I can't make this one, I'm away on holiday from this weekend. Enjoy! Jen

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #11 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: GNU/Linux/Suffolk/Film showing, 17 August 2003 (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:02:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: GNU/Linux/Suffolk/Film showing, 17 August 2003 [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.10 : Elmswell, Suffolk Sunday 17 August 2003 Plan for the meeting This meeting is for a screening of the film [3]Revolution OS. Doors will open about 2pm and the film will start about half an hour later. Please keep checking this page for updates. How to get there For directions, please see [4]the venue information page. Use [5]the meeting transport page if you want to share your journey. People at the meeting So far, Adam, Kirsty, Big John, MJR and Rob are known to be there. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please email [6]Adam, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [7]use the mailing list. [8]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [9]Join ALUG 2. [10]FAQ 3. [11]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [12]Peterborough 2. [13]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [14]PHP4Hosting 2. [15]Black Cat Networks 3. [16]Martyn Drake 4. [17]Turo Technology LLP 5. [18]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [19]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.revolution-os.com/ 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/elmswell.html 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?MeetingTransport 6. mailto:abower@thebowery.co.uk 7. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 10. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 11. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 12. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 13. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 14. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 15. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 16. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 17. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 18. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 19. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Athlon 2200+ chip FS
by Dan Beimborn 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

Anyone on the list want my used AMD Athlon XP 2200+ & a nice Tai Sol cooler? You'll need a little fresh grease for the heatsink contact, but that's it. Just removed from my system working to replace with a faster one. £30 OBO DB

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[Alug]About Gentoo Linux?
by Edenyard 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

I've just read something on Daniel James' 'Linux User Bulletin' that's got me thinking. There was mention of Gentoo Linux and it said that Gentoo was 'self-building'. Does that mean that, when one installs Gentoo, all the packages get automatically compiled for the processor that's actually in the machine, rather than defaulting to a 386 or something? Does that also mean that it takes an absolute age to install? And is it really much of an improvement over, say, my favourite Slackware? Sorry if these are dumb questions, but to a Bear of Very Little Brain (TM), it's perplexing and interesting all at the same time - maybe a bit like a jar of honey whose lid won't come off.... (Oh dear - guess what I've been reading lately?) Any enlightenment, please, anyone? Cheers, Gerald.

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[Alug]Riddle me this
by BenE 09 Aug '03

09 Aug '03

I've very nearly gotten my zaurus to link with my PC (they're pinging each other now), and the next step is to get qtopia desktop installed. Unfortunately, it's only available as an RPM and I'm strictly a compile from source person. So, I have 2 choices (that I can see) 1: install RPM 2: extract the files from the RPM using the program that was mentioned on here last week I think. I am leaning towards option 2 but I'm unsure about the dependencies. Is there a way I can work out where the various dependencies it needs should be? Is it just a matter of running it and working out what symlinks I should place where based on the error messages or is there a nicer option? cheers, BenE --------------------------------- Love is all I bring, in me crass t-shirt 'n' ting

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[Alug]laptops and batteries
by syd 08 Aug '03

08 Aug '03

Not specifically linux - hope no-one is bothered by that. You people are my front-line support for any compter advice. I've just bought a T-series Thinkpad. It has Lithium-Ion batteries. AFAIR these do not have the 'memory' effect so does that really mean in practice that it is perfectly OK to give short booster charges no matter what the state of charge/discharge? Also, I think I've seen somewhere that keeping the laptop on mains power withthe battery installed will lead to reduced battery life. Is this the case? TIA Syd

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