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short shpiel...
by lea Gardner - Dennant 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

the reason that i am interested in linux is that i am sick of the half-assed coding, mundane, not so powerful windblows. yes it serves a purpose for some (and i certainly get a lot of stick from friends because of my penguinian persuasion), however, i find that many "tools of the trade" are already within linux/unix. i do not have to buy thirdparty stuff. many extra bits are freely d/l-able. (and when leading a "scouting mission" on a network, linux quite frankly kicks the pants off of any windblows box!) there are many many different flavours of linux to choose from too, which means in turn that maybe for a specific task, you could switch to a particular type/version that is better suited to the task in hand. blah blah...(list is near endless!) ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus

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Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall
by Ben Norcutt 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

Sorry I don't know the background to this wantign to kill ALUG statement but I presume you are talking about Richard Morell well he's now resigned from the company and is pursuing other projects. IPcop, *spit*, hmm Cheers, Ben

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Attention web editors and any others
by MJ Ray 09 Apr '03

09 Apr '03

Now that the Makefile seems to be working, I've uploaded another copy of the ALUG website source to http://www.alug.org.uk/alug-web-20030409.tar.gz Feel free to download it. You probably need GNU shellutils and textutils, but most distributions install them by default. To actually build a copy of the site, you'll need xsltproc from libxslt. Could anyone who has their name as the author of a page please either check/update it and then run "make patch", or tell me that they no longer wish to own that page. Anyone who wants to add a page to the web site, please let me know. We probably should move any mature pages out of the wiki and into the main site. My next tasks are: update the layout files; check and update my own pages, the same as everyone else does; make sure all pages have someone looking after them. The owners that I have listed are: ./articles/2001a/lpr2fax.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./articles/2001a/meeting20011.xml: <author >BJ</author> ./articles/2001a/linuxday.xml: <author >MJR</author> ./articles/2001a/meeting20012.xml: <author >BJ</author> ./articles/2001a/ircnames.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./articles/2001a/alugfaq.xml: <author >Current maintainer Adam Bower</author> ./articles/2001a/venuereq.xml: <author >Adam Bower</author> ./articles/2001a/promoart.xml: <author >MJR</author> ./articles/2001a/bestmeat.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./background/contacts.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/submissions.xml: <author >ALUG Webmaster</author> ./background/cvs-access.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/xml-formats.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/jobs.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details.

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past meetings
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Here's a tricky one, but can all members who have hosted a meeting over the last two years (since Nov 2001) try and remember the date, venue and a very rough overview of who turned up and what took place? Send to me off list. Ta Jen

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Fw: Kernel Symbol and Sysmap Trouble
by Steve Fosdick 06 Apr '03

06 Apr '03

Here are an interesting couple of problems I am having with kernel symbols I am hoping someone may be able to help me with. 1. Symbol Not Found. Having selected basic ATM and IP over ATM to be built into the kernel and PPPoA to be built as a module and building and installing both kernel and modules, when I try to install the pppoatm module I get an unresolved symbol error for pppoatm_ioctl_hook. Having checked the source pppoatm_ioctl_hook is defined in net/atm/common.c like this: #if defined(CONFIG_PPPOATM) || defined(CONFIG_PPPOATM_MODULE) int (*pppoatm_ioctl_hook)(struct atm_vcc *, unsigned int, unsigned long); EXPORT_SYMBOL(pppoatm_ioctl_hook); #endif As my .config file contains: CONFIG_PPPOATM=m I would expect the symbol to be defined and if I run 'nm' on common.o I find the line: 00000000 B pppoatm_ioctl_hook So the symbol is definitely there. Is the B for BSS segment and is that why it isn't found? If I select pppoatm to be built into the kernel the symbol is resolved correctly. 2. System.map does not match kernel data. After building a kernel and installing it, running LILO and installing the modules, sometimes I get errors about System.map not matching the kernel data. The last example is having build pppoatm into the kernel and I got the following errors during startup: {pppoatm_ioctl_hook} {pppoatm_ioctl_hook_R__ver_pppoatm_ioctl_hook} /boot/System.map-2.4.20 does not match kernel data On a machine at work I often get a similar warning about the System.map not matching kernel data when running the ps command though when the machine is first booted this problem rarely happens, it only appears after some time. Any guesses? Steve.

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Advert! Hardwares To Go!
by Craig 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Okay, here we go: Hitachi GD-7500 DVD-ROm 4X = �15 Liteon CDRW 32x12x40x = �20 Unbranded 4x4x24x CDRW(!) = �10 2x 256mb PC133 = �25 each 10 gig Matrox hdd = �20 41.1gig IBM 5400RPM hdd = �50 Geforce 3 ti200 DDR 64mb AGP = �45 Geforce 2mx 32mb AGP = �20 Matrox 4mb Mytisque PCI = �5 Creative Soundblaster AWE64 ISA = �5 Duron 800mhz (Including Heatsink) + Chaintech CT-7AJA2 (onboard cmedia 8738) + ATX Mini-Tower Case + MS Intellimouse Explorer 2 button optical PS2/USB = �100 AMD K2(?) 350Mhz + VA-503+ mobo + AT Full Tower case + AT keyboard. �60 17" Hansol 710P monitor = �80 TV card (Bt848AKPF as it says on the chipset) PCI = �10 Let me know if you are interested to buy them. Also, spread the word if you know someone looking for some hardwares as well. Just anything to get them off my hands for them to be in use rather than collecting dust! And yes, they all work under GNU/Linux ;) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Simon Jude 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Adam Bower wrote: > > But how well does it compare to one of the SGI VAN (visual area network) > systems, this sounds as though it is trying to compete with it. If SGI had > given you a quote then you would probably be looking at just over a million > quid for a similar system, possibly 400k second hand and thats without > support! > Yep! Exactly the original plan from about 5 years ago was for an SGI at about 400K. Evidently they quoted 1 million plus for a system for one uni and another company wheeled in a couple of PC image generators that had better performance!! We recently saw an SGI Onyx system down at BP research which wasn't too impressive!! Sorry to go a bit off topic!!!

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Adam Bower 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Jude [mailto:S.Jude@uea.ac.uk] > One the subject of Nvidia graphics cards and drivers, here at > work we are > in the process of purchasing a new VR lab. One of the PC > image generator > systems we have been shown is basically a cluster of PCs that does > parallel rendering and uses Nvidia GeForce 4 cards with one > or two tweeks > of the chips and drivers...Now for the amusing bit...for > these tweeks to > what are basically fairly standard PCs we have been quoted > 100K for one > system and 140K for a one with more rendering power. I think > I am in the > wrong business!!! But how well does it compare to one of the SGI VAN (visual area network) systems, this sounds as though it is trying to compete with it. If SGI had given you a quote then you would probably be looking at just over a million quid for a similar system, possibly 400k second hand and thats without support! > > Oh and as for support...we were quoted 20K per year for this > system!!! ;-) Commercial support isn't cheap though, 20k per year is less than the cost of 1 fairly well trained monkey... Again if it was SGI you would probably be paying about 10x as much (I won't dare compare SGI with monkeys, one of the two would get very offended) Adam

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Adam Bower 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

> Seeing it is there in gentoo.. I am going to test it out right now on > this laptop :) Is this a precursor to "For Sale - 1 used laptop, works well except screen or graphics card broken, has nvidia chipset....." ;) Adam

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