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List breakage & IRC meeting tonight 8pm
by Adam Bower 09 Jul '02

09 Jul '02

Hi All, The list was down (well not down just all mails were put in a queue for admin approval) for a brief period earlier today, not sure how it happened but a regexp that caught all email and put it in the admin queue somehow got in there, anyhow normal service has now been resumed. And also.... its the IRC meeting tonight. Hope to see you online :) This is the (not so) automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!) Adam -- "Step away from the Cathedral, This Bazaar is loaded" jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li

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Apologies
by Keith Watson 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Ooops! Sorry about the long disclaimer, I've switched it off now :o) Regards, Keith Watson ____________ Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know. Lao-tzu

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Two GNOME or not two GNOME?
by Keith Watson 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Suggestions and/or opinions please.... I've now got a stable GNU/Linux system (2.4.18) and I've installed XFree86 and added the NVidia drivers (can't remember the versions). So far so good. I've just finished installing Gnome 1.4 and Enlightenment and they work OK (more or less :o) ). I've come to loathe the Docbook system (see http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/docbook/) which Gnome seems to want to use. Docbook seems to have all sorts of pre-requisites, some of which seem to only be installable via RPM. I'm not sure I have it installed properly or if it's working at all!! but Gnome seems to be running OK so I'll live with it. Questions; 1) Is KDE any easier to install? 2) Should I consider moving Gnome 2? 3) Is Sawfish any better than Enlightenment (and why :o) ) ? 4) Before I do anything else I want to install a Web browser but which one? Regards, Keith Watson ____________ >From the first not a thing is. Hui-neng --- This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Kewill Systems plc. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 01/07/02

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Two GNOME or not two GNOME?
by Keith Watson 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

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AIU-Anglian Insomniacs United
by Kelly Ash 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

New association, possibly? *G* It's okay, I'm in, but spending the time straightening out Bills mess so that I can get down to installing a 'proper' OS. Or at the very least, trying to install and trying even harder to look extremely capable of doing so. Still gathering all (pre)install suggestions/advice for the big day/night/week/fortnight......gratefully! Kelly Message: 12 Reply-To: <kpwatson(a)luna.co.uk> From: "Keith Watson" <kpwatson(a)luna.co.uk> To: "ALUG" <main(a)lists.blackcatnetworks.co.uk> Subject: RE: [Alug] Humour: Introducing Monday Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:50:28 +0100 Hello there's another insomniac on the list!! :o) Damn I should've told Kelly that was a pre-requisite for a Linux install!

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A funny modem problem
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

By that I mean a funny 'modem problem' not a 'funny modem' problem. I have an old US Robotics 28k ISA modem in one of my machines here and I want to use it to connect via dial-up to try something. It certainly used to work but now it won't. I can query the modem from a terminal window and kppp will do the same but I cannot get it to dial. It goes through the motions but no dialling tone sound or any dialling sound although it is set to have the speaker on until it connects. After trying it 'disconnects' and tries again. If I disconnect the telephone lead from the telephone socket it makes no difference. It still runs through the same process without, apparently, recognising that there is no dialling tone. I have checked the telephone lead on another machine and it appears to be in perfect working order. I'm out of ideas. Anyone? Barry Samuels

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Linux in the movies..
by Martyn Drake 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Hi folks, Linux User have finally gotten around to PDFing the article on The Moving Picture Company's use of Linux. It's now available at:- http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue20/lu20-Linux_at_work-In_the_pictu… Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake | Email : martyn-d(a)moving-picture.com Systems Administrator | Web : http://www.moving-picture.com The Moving Picture Company | Phone : +44 (0)20 7494 7853

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Re: List address (was RE: [Alug] The last of the true hackers?)
by Keith Watson 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

> > ====================== > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > ====================== > > > Right. That's it. I've bitten my tongue long enough. > > The email address for the AUG list is NOT: > main(a)lists.blackcatnetworks.co.uk > > ... it is: > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > aaaggghhh!!! IT THE VOLKSPOLITZEI!! RUN!!!! :o) :o)

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Re: [Alug] cpu leak on sound apps
by Ricardo Campos 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

> If the program is using almost exclusively user mode CPU then it would > suggest that the program has simpy got into an infinite loop due toa bug > in the program. Yeah, it shows 90+% user time. Only about 3% sys time. I tried an alternative kernel (no nvidia patch), same problem. I've filed a bug report for it. I'm pretty stumped at the moment. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] OT: opennap
by MJ Ray 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

> Ah, so now you're saying that Windows apps have a higher standard than GNU > ones? *giggle* No and I think you know that. Companies producing proprietary code are more likely to optimise the program out of the box sooner than a free software project because the users can only say yes or no to the software, not work on it themselves. Of course, "premature optimisation" is a well-known way to condemn a program to failure. > [...] little think about it. (user/serach nodes) Time to learn CVS... Brokenness that it is. Anyway, if you're going to be silly, I'll leave you to your own counsel. -- MJR

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