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Re: [Alug] *BSD's and Linux
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

> Erm, they are both cheap, as in you can get them for free. downloading > OpenBSD is easy as i think it is about 100Megs and I am not so sure for > FreeBSD. If you want a copy of OpenBSD and can't afford the modem time I > am sure I could grab a copy and burn it to CD-R for you, I should most > likely be able to do that for FreeBSD also. I understand that the .iso of OpenBSD is copyrighted, so that they can at least make *some* money. Actually, I did spend ALL of last week downloading an old copy - 2.8, which is a wopping 618 MB. But the jump from 2.8 to 3.0 appears to be a significant one. I must say this, though. I have *no qualms* about paying for CD's from the source company/org when I am able. It's kinda like a selfish donation "Here have the money, and I'll take a boxed set thanks". I guess that many free software projects are low on money for FTP bandwidth and stuff. >On the end user > perspective it will appear to be much the same as Linux (you may never > notice the differences) but from a sys-admin point of view things are > radically different Seeing as I'm a sys admin, I guess that's the pqart I'll get stuck into! > You will most likely find it a bit trickier to setup than linux, but then > YMMV. AESA=ALUG is an endless source of acronyms! ;) I had anticipated that, and to throw more spice into the tumult of confusion, my test box will be a 2 course meal of Debian and ?BSD! > Erm this isn't offtopic, look at the Faq ;) so this can stay on list, Oh, but I'm running it *on* a Mega-Doohickey 9! ;) (see FAQ) Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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*BSD's and Linux
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

Ok, a bit off topic, but I'm thinking of installing a *BSD (currently thinking of FreeBSD 4.5 which is cheap, or OpenBSD 3.0 which is more pricey). I'm wondering just HOW different I'll find it to linux, and I'm not too sure about which to get. Any hints, tips, suggestions, hideously biased opinions :-P, etc. offlist would be appreciated (or on list if it's Linux related enough). Again, sorry for being a little offtopic. TIA Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Fw: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

FORWARDED to ALUG:- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linux Newbie" <linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:28:40 +0100 To: corez23(a)linuxmail.org Subject: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie > > well guess im going to work on one problem at the time, > if i can get my modem online then ill be able to get in to the chat on IRc > or something like that ,then get online help which might be more easyier, > > Could you help me get online with linux please.? > > > i have tryed the dail up wizard and i have to pick on of the following > > /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/ttyS1 > /dev/ttyS2 > /dev/ttyS3 > > i have tryed all of them , 1 of them says it cant institle the modem and the > other just gives me that error stright away when one of them tryed to dail > it but guess i have to install the modem drivers > > i got the modem drivers from the company who made my modem etc > > How would i install then? > > i have files > > tornado_vfm560prs.tar > > > so im guess tar is like winzip or something like that , > if i unpack them in windows then save them to cd would it make much > difference`s > > if i unpack the files in windows i get > > tornado_vfm560prs > > im not sure about install the drivers ,i dont know how? > any help would be Great.! > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >From: "Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> > >To: "Linux Newbie" <linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com> > >Subject: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie > >Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:23:29 +0000 > > > > > so do u know when the next meeting is and are they free > > > etc? > > > i went to the alug meeting site but they out of date etc it sys join the > > > mail list to know the times etc? > > > so are you Near the Uea then? > > > > > > Where abouts are you if u dont mind me asking,>? > > > > > > >They are free, unless the venue costs money to hire. I've never paid > >anything. I forgot that the venue for the next meeting burnt down, so I > >think we're still yet to organise a replacement venue! I used to live on > >Dereham rd, now I live in spixworth. > > > > > so why is the norton appz not needed in Linux and can i get cd burning > > > software free for linux like download etc or do i have to buy it? > > > > > >If you look under the menu for multimedia- you may have XCDRoast or > >Gnometoaster, there may be a KDE specific one also (KreateCD or KonCD). > >They are free, and are likely to be included in your install (mine were). > >All of these apps are FREE. I have NEVER paid anything for any linux > >application, nor do I intend to (the only reason you *might* is to run an > >enterprise-style server with 1000's of users!) > > > >Here's a good list for applications: > >http://www.linux.org/apps/index.html > >http://apps.kde.org > > > >At present, Linux doesn't require any anti-virus software, since there are > >only 2 I know of (and are virtually impossible to catch). Linux also > >includes a firewall, which you would have set up during installation. > >Linux's file system does not fragment and slow down like Windows-it's far > >more intelligent. You may have chose ext3 as your filesystem - this > >automatically checks the data so it doesn't need to do a scandisk as soon > >as it comes up after a powercut etc. In the event of emergencies like that, > >it will automatically run a program called fsck (like scandisk) that > >repairs any damage. > > > >Basically, the stuff you paid money for in Windows is either free or not > >needed because Linux is more robust and smart! ;) On the downside, it often > >requires more setup, however, this can be seen as a pluspoint-you get to > >learn about how your computer actually works. > > > >Personally, I don't think Linux is quite ready for mass home use (as you do > >have to learn a bit about your computer), but perfect for servers and > >office use (since someone else would be setting it up). However, things are > >changing and the linux of today is miles easier than the linux of a year > >ago- and it will only get better! > > > >Ricardo > >-- > > > >Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Red Hat 7.2 newbie
by Linux Newbie 02 Apr '02

02 Apr '02

Hi , im a newbie to Linux and i heard you could run windows appz in Linux by using a Piece of software called Wine, I not sure if already have it on Redhat 7.2 so if any one could tell me where to find it i would be very greatful and if some one could give me information on how to install software then would be great too, Everytime i install RPM files i get a failed message so maybe im downloading the wrong drivers or wrong kernal verison,im new to linux so i dont know much about installing software, i know alittle about the Rpm -i command and thats all i know so any help to the above questions would be a bouns. Thanks linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #15 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 02 Apr '02

02 Apr '02

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Anyone used Mindi ?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

Since upgrading my machine and operating system I have been trying to create a rescue disc set. My trusty old Tomsrtbt no longer works because it doesn't support my new SCSI adapter. I have just tried Mindi and after booting the first disc it stops with the following messages: inserting floppy driver for 2.2.20 unable to get major 2 for floppy inserting floppy driver for 2.2.20 unable to get major 2 for floppy inserting floppy driver for 2.2.20 unable to get major 2 for floppy inserting floppy driver for 2.2.20 unable to get major 2 for floppy mounting /tmp/tmpfs ... Fatal error! Failed. UPGRADE YOUR RAM! Please! Dude, your computer is dying of thirst over here .. I think that the second message is a consequence of the first and is not actually due to a lack of ram as this machine has 256MB. Could anyone please explain what the first four identical messages mean? I did, as required, build floppy support into the kernel together with ramdisc and initrd support. It would be reassuring to have a rescue disc of some sort once again. Barry Samuels

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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9" B&W Monitors
by John Seago 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Does anyone know of a source for 9" Black and White Monitors, (as used on Tills)? John Seago

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Can anyone help with a KDE2/Debian 'Testing' error ?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

I have recently upgraded my Debian Potato system to 'Testing' and, as that includes KDE2, KDE1 has been upgraded to KDE2 (2.2.2-14). In trying to run some applications (only a few) I get the following message: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.3: undefined symbol: styleChange__8QTool It's always the same message with the same symbol. Does anyone know why this should happen? Barry Samuels

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New Member Info
by Leonard Chandler 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

I am a long retired person and began delving into computers in 1979 with a Tandy TSR1 - I then lived in Australia and wrote a programme in Basic to do the accounts for a garage I was running there. I used LDOS which was far superior to MSDOS 2.11 that I had to switch to when I bought an Apricot. I am not mad keen on either the ethics or practice of Mr Gates (nor that of Murdoch either) but I am aware that my efforts against them will make little difference. My first purchase of Linux was some 6 years ago (SuSE), the the second about 3 (Definite) and the third 2 months ago - SuSE again and, unlike those previous conversion efforts, I intend to make it this time. This email comes to you via the "auld enemy" because I have problems, but they will be overcome! I realize that for a while I might have to put up with using both systems, but I like the idea of choice, and not being dominated by the practices of one man. Kind Regards Leonard Chandler

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