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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] APM
by MJ Ray 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Willaby <willaby(a)pgen.net> writes: > Which means I cant use ALSA on my notebook yet, either, having to use > OSS. You can use tainted modules. I doubt anyone will take much notice of the taintedness of the current kernel, as there are still parts of the mainline kernel which taint it. > Is there a low traffic kernel list, that would provide important > information like this? Kernel Traffic and LWN.net's Kernel pages are my two weekly hits. -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Exim, Fetchmail, Procmail with Debian
by Ashley 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Installed Debian (2.2 v3) this morning (crowd cheers!). I'm having a problem getting my incoming email to work. This is what I done: - installed Debian with Exim as default MTA - configured Exim (probably incorrectly) - Installed fetchmail, fetchmailconf - configured fetchmailconf (grab email from POP3 server @ dial.pipex.com) - Installed procmail - Set up a few simple .procmailrc filters Now when I run fetchmail -d0, it downloads the email from the pop server, but it does not arrive in /home/ash/mail as expected. On looking inside /var/spool/exim I get lots of: .com [205.158.62.41]: 550 5.1.1 <server2(a)email.com>... User unknown messages. This is for incoming email. Can anyone help or share their Exim config file for retrieving mail from a pop3 server? FYI, I will be on the ALUG channel for IRC this afternoon -- Ashley T. Howes PhD www.ashleyhowes.com "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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Re: [Alug] APM
by MJ Ray 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Willaby <willaby(a)pgen.net> writes: > 'Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.1...../apm.o will taint the kernel: > no license' > Does anybody know what this means? Yes, it's a recent change in the kernel structure. All modules now have to declare their freeness to the kernel, or you get that warning. The ultimate aim is to be able to spot people using badly-written unsupported binary-only drivers (can you say "nvidia"?) a mile off. Unfortunately, the current kernel doesn't have all its modules declaring their freeness, hence the "no licence" error and a lot of unnecessary taints. Again, a cock-up in the "stable" series. Expect this to get nailed quite swiftly, though. -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: =20 and your post to main digest, Vol 1 #56
by John Seago 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Syd, At last something positive, you say you can't see the =20's at the ends of the lines on your posts to the list but on the abovementioned list every line end, except the header and the first line of my message which you quote, the last line of your last paragraph, and the line "Best wishes" ends on my screen with =20. Can I assume therefore that what I am seeing, differs from that seen by others? Even more specifically can you see =20 on my posts but not on yours? (I was happier when it wasn't just me). Further are others seeing =20 on my posts, your posts, on both, or neither? Every time I start to see the very dim outline of a basic concept through the dense mist of ignorance, I get kicked back further than when I started. At least back in April I didn't know how much I didn't know (ignorance is bliss, it also gives one the confidence to plunge in regardless). This raises several issues for me: 1. Am I trying hard enough on my own? [Every thing I start to learn turns out to be interdependent on everything else I don't know, (as far as I know, if you leave a socket turned on the electricity leaks out into a puddle on the floor).] 2. should this be on main or social? 3. At what point does everyone else's patience with me run out. 4. Starting at age 53, have I got long enough left to catch up, especially when everything seems to advance quicker than I am learning? All comments will be welcomed. John seago

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Re: [Alug] Re: =20 and your post to main digest, Vol 1 #56
by MJ Ray 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

John Seago <john.seago(a)nutshell.net> writes: > Syd, Point of general order... don't address list posts to a particular person if you can avoid it... > Even more specifically can you see =20 on my posts but not on yours? > (I was happier when it wasn't just me). Further are others seeing =20 > on my posts, your posts, on both, or neither? Neither, but then I'm not reading the digest version. You might have more luck if you switch your digest to use MIME format instead of "plain". You can do this by visiting the list web page and editing your options. > 1. Am I trying hard enough on my own? Yes, but it seems that a key piece of information (that you read the digest version) has been missing until now. > 2. should this be on main or social? Yes ;-) > 3. At what point does everyone else's patience with me run out. Somewhere around Gedney. > 4. Starting at age 53, have I got long enough left to catch up, > especially when everything seems to advance quicker than I am > learning? Dunno. I feel that I'm struggling at just under half that :-/ I think the key is to specialise, which is something that I'm failing spectacularly to do right now. > All comments will be welcomed. Moo? -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [Alug] =20
by MJ Ray 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Syd Hancock <syd2(a)toufol.com> writes: > Full marks for your stubborn attitude to the problems with BT but > my approach has been to vote with my wallet. [...] For most East Anglians, however you do it, BT get your money :-( All you can do is minimise how much they get. -- MJR

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APM
by Willaby 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

Hello, Trying to get APM working on my notebook, in the kernelconfig->general setup I said yes to 'Power Managment Support' && 'APM Bios Support as module' 'IGNORE..' as no, and yes to the next 5. Now, 'modprobe -v apm' results in: 'Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.1...../apm.o will taint the kernel: no license' Does anybody know what this means? Thanks, Andrew.

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Problems with Grip and DVD drives
by Adam Bower 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

Lo all, I just puchased myself a DVD-Rom drive and a CD-RW drive to replace the broken CD-Rom drive in my main machine. Interestingly I now have a problem with ripping CDs. I can now use Grip (a very cool program that will rip your CD and encode it into mp3 or Ogg Vorbis and sort out making playlists and putting the files in the correct places for you) to rip CDs from the CD-RW drive but it just segfaults if I try and use the DVD-Rom?! The program loads and recognises the Cd and does the CDDB lookup and as soon as I tell it to rip+encode it segfaults. The DVD-Rom is sitting on hdc and it is a Sony DDU1621, and the CD-RW is a Freecom 32r 12r 10rw burnproof thing. I think I am going to check that my kernel is sane later today and that all the Bios settings for the ide bits are correct. Does anyone have any ideas as to what is up? Adam -- Adam

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Re: [Alug] Re: =20 and now 3D as well
by MJ Ray 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

John Seago <john.seago(a)nutshell.net> writes: > What should have been obvious to me in the first place, has just struck me, > it may not be that the =20 is appearing in what is sent but only in what is > being received by me, at least Syd doesn't seem to think he is sending them > on his system. As we are both using Mandrake 8, does this seem likely? It's quite possible, but I get your emails as quoted-printable (ie with =20 and friends) too, while I get Andrew's emails (for example) via BTi as plain text. Equally, emails from KMail users come through fine as plain text, including Syd's. Therefore, I suspect it's your mail server settings that are causing this, as I've not been able to verify them from the list. > I'm still battling with BT (full story on request), and beginning to think > that I've backed yet another lost cause, would I be better off just walking, > (in my case wheeling), away or carrying on the fight? (rhetorical question) The above notwithstanding: BT ARE TOTAL CRAP. Sorry to the BT contingent on the list, but it has to be said. They are a load of total shysters, doing all sorts of monopolistic anti-competitive activities and cross-selling, while the spineless regulator is too thick to stop them. I'm not saying it's really BT's fault, as most corporations would probably do the same in their position. The sooner they are broken up or closed down and replaced by either a public utility with private service companies or a truly free market, the better it will be for everyone. -- MJR

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