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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by Ricardo Campos 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

>have you considered python? it's object orietated, fairly simple and >"compiles" >into p-code whilst also is fairly portable. I have. Definitely one of the runners for this. Fairly as in can be d/l and used on a Win9x machine? At the moment I'm seriously considering Java, Python and TCl. Java seems most likely at the moment. >gui wise there's tkinter, wxWindows, >gtk, kde, and opengl. oh, and google is built on it. and that's just the search engine I'm using so much today! :) Many thanks for all the advice from all parties. I'll have to do a lot more reviewing of each candidate first. Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by MJ Ray 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > I dont know TK/TCL and it is a scripting language but I belive it > would do the job here, anyone with experiance of this frame work? It > is also I belive windows compatable And mac-compatible, last I saw. It is a very very simplistic language, but it is supposed to be fairly easy to use, though. -- MJR I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Exim Upgrade completed!
by Martyn Drake 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

Hi folks, Exim 3.33 is now up and running on the server and has been found to be stable enough to go live :) If you experience any problems with the lists over the next couple of days, please drop me a note and I will try and fix things as quickly as I can. Regards, Martyn PS. The only dislike I have about Exim is that in order for anybody to authenticate through SMTP AUTH with /etc/shadow support, you're going to need to use the pam_exim module available from http://www.e-admin.de/pam_exim/ as this is the only "secure" thing that will work other than to run exim as root.

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(Scripting) languages
by Ricardo Campos 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

I have just had the pleasure of writing a little script in VBS; it took me 30 minutes (including making some coffee) from looking at a webpage that included the syntax to actually completing it- this process would have taken me a day in C. (without having to learn it as well) Problem is, of course, the platform specificity. And of course the M$ link. I know there are various scripting laguages out there, but I really need a simple GUI driven non-script language that I can compile for *nix and win32 (urgh!). The reason for non-scripted is that I would like to use subroutines for common functions. It only needs to handle very simple mathematical calculations. (I'm writing handy calculators for players of a wargame, probably mostly window$ users, but I'm a *nix user, obviously, so it has to have support for us!) Java springs to mind, but it seems so PAINFULLY slow, even to do fairly simple stuff. If it was OO, that would be a bonus too. I suppose I'm just being a bit lazy; I could just compile a C program natively on 'nix AND win32. Potentially, I would like to add these separate elements into one larger program (this is where I would perhaps prefer C). I *WOULDN'T* like to pick up a new language as complex as C *YET*, at least not until I learn to use C properly. Any tips? For example, if you use Java, is there a nice free RAD/IDE for it? Anyone tried Kylix? (I have it on CD) Or maybe you could suggest another approach? Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by MJ Ray 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

Well, as you know, I'm a scheme fan and I think that GNU have definitely done The Right Thing in making a scheme their main extension language, although it's not perfect and is woefully under-used at the moment, even by official GNU software. Hopefully it can become as common as VB is on that other platform, as there's scope to do so much more with it. What we really need are more good libraries for guile and more good simple introductions to it. Teach Yourself Scheme in Fixnum Days is pretty good, though. So for the solution to the problem you have *now*, ie building cross-platform simple GUI non-C apps, I'd suggest taking a look at Visual Tcl, which should easily cope with having a few functions added. Sadly, the docs are rather thin on the ground, but it is basically Tcl behind the scenes, which is a fairly simple language. I think Java would be overkill for such a small app, but that's probably an equally good route, and I don't know Kylix well enough to comment. But I don't really understand why you think scripting means that you can't have functions. The distinction between a scripting language and a programming language is somewhat arbitrary these days. -- MJR This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by flexifoil＠btinternet.com 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

[apologies using webmail!] > Java springs to mind, but it seems so PAINFULLY slow, even to do fairly > simple stuff. If it was OO, that would be a bonus too. Java isnt slow, and it gets my vote... > I suppose I'm just > being a bit lazy; I could just compile a C program natively on 'nix AND > win32. If you just want CLI, then thats easy. > Potentially, I would like to add these separate elements into one larger > program (this is where I would perhaps prefer C). I *WOULDN'T* like to pick > up a new language as complex as C *YET*, at least not until I learn to use C > properly. You could learn as you go... > Any tips? For example, if you use Java, is there a nice free RAD/IDE for it? > Anyone tried Kylix? (I have it on CD) Or maybe you could suggest another > approach? Borlands ? Andrew.

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Furby Linux :)
by Ashley T. Howes 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

http://www.trygve.com/furbeowulf.html Dr. Ashley T. Howes PhD www.ashleyhowes.com Programmer "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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GPPP problems.
by Ricardo Campos 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

I'm now in a period of trying Gnome instead of KDE (bored so quickly!). Unfortunately, I can't get Gppp to work. It appears to be pointing to the correct device, has the correct phone #, correct IP& DNS settings etc. But it doesn't really get to that stage. I set up an account and it merely says "The ppp daemon died unexpectedly", which to a newbie like myself leaves bugger all clues except maybe that Gppp is somehow incorrectly interfaced with pppd ??? It feels like I've lost all my troubleshooting skills. Is there a log file that I'm missing somewhere, that could give me some clues? (and maybe I could then give more info to those who're helping me) Kppp works, but it's time to give Gnome a go methinks. It seems a little smoother performance-wise. Ricardo, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Newbie question.... PATHS
by Ricardo Campos 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

OK, so I've symlinked Kgcc to gcc, but how does a program know where to look for gcc in the first place? Is it your 'path'? I'm saying this as I'm going to be compiling a Python prgram, but have had no experience in doing so. One of the prereqs is: "make sure Python is in your path". I guess that this is what an NT user would consider an environment variable? Or does it just mean that you have to be in the same dir. ? (seems unlikely) If it is a user env. variable, where is it to be found? ps. if I get my moop/doop running off dhs. you're all welcome to try it out. only 1 at a time, mind, cos the test box will be my home computer- all 46 kbps of bandwidth! whooosh! ;-D Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Server maintenance: 1st October, 2001
by Martyn Drake 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Hi, Just to let everybody know that these mailing lists will be unavailable for a short while during the day of the 1st October. I am upgrading to Exim from Sendmail and will need to verify the configuration for both local accounts and Mailman. Regards, Martyn

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