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Nag-o-matic - future meetings
by Adam Bower 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

Hi people, I warn you now this sounds like a rant as the tone of the message got a little confused when I wrote it, but my intent is to encourage people to get involved, please don't flame me or think I am picking on you :-) Is there any news on the next meeting (UEA people??) and possible venues for future meetings? We are already in October and if we are to have a meeting this month then we really need to find a venue before the end of the week (we also need a date set so I can get motivated to get my a*se in gear and sort out the talk I am supposed to be doing on Debian) and it would be great if we could get November or Decembers meeting date/location arranged now. If you know of a possible venue for an Alug meeting then the requirements are basically enough room for ~30 people to sit and stand and generally mill around, some electrical outlets and some space for people to setup computers. Other nice but not essential things would be a bar and an internet connection. Also experience has shown that people are willing to help out with costs of hiring a hall etc. as long as its not more than a couple of quid each. We could still do with maybe a meeting in Cambridgshire or Essex, as we havn't visited these places yet. Finally if you do know of a venue but are a bit unsure of how to organise a meeting then others will help out, I would book something myself but I am a bit all over the place at the moment. Feel free to give me a shout if you need any specific help though. Hmmm, maybe time for me to sort out getting this kind of thing put in the FAQ. Adam PS if you are a lurker who knows of somewhere good we could go then please de-lurk now :-) -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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(Scripting) languages
by tom potts 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

For Java there is (currently) a free 'RAD' called Forte (Community Edition) which seems pretty good but it uses a bit of resource. This can be run on Win32 or *nix etc etc. If you find java slow try looking for a jit compiler for you installation. Another 'tool' I've been playing with is the mysql/php on a web server. Not overly brilliant in the Maths dept but seems to run on most platforms. I'll be publishing an extendable GNU e-shop (before xmas I hope) built on mysql/php but using odbc to make it a bit more system independent. Haven't found any problems with it yet Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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VRML editors/tools for Linux
by Simon Jude 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

Hi, One of the geographical information systems that I use can export data such as digital elevation models to VRML. However, this facility is fairly crude and what I want to do is create a tour around around one of my elevation models using viewpoints and routes so that it can be used in a presentation that I am giving fairly soon. Not having the time to do this manually and learn how VRML works, is there any software for Linux that can do this sort of thing? Any ideas would be appreciated as I don't have a great deal of time!!! Simon School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia, University Plain, Norwich, NR4 7TJ Web http://www.uea.ac.uk/~e931406/research

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by MJ Ray 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > have you considered python? it's object orietated [...] As ever, except the bits which aren't. ;-) -- MJR I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by Ricardo Campos 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

>have you considered python? it's object orietated, fairly simple and >"compiles" >into p-code whilst also is fairly portable. I have. Definitely one of the runners for this. Fairly as in can be d/l and used on a Win9x machine? At the moment I'm seriously considering Java, Python and TCl. Java seems most likely at the moment. >gui wise there's tkinter, wxWindows, >gtk, kde, and opengl. oh, and google is built on it. and that's just the search engine I'm using so much today! :) Many thanks for all the advice from all parties. I'll have to do a lot more reviewing of each candidate first. Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by MJ Ray 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > I dont know TK/TCL and it is a scripting language but I belive it > would do the job here, anyone with experiance of this frame work? It > is also I belive windows compatable And mac-compatible, last I saw. It is a very very simplistic language, but it is supposed to be fairly easy to use, though. -- MJR I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Exim Upgrade completed!
by Martyn Drake 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

Hi folks, Exim 3.33 is now up and running on the server and has been found to be stable enough to go live :) If you experience any problems with the lists over the next couple of days, please drop me a note and I will try and fix things as quickly as I can. Regards, Martyn PS. The only dislike I have about Exim is that in order for anybody to authenticate through SMTP AUTH with /etc/shadow support, you're going to need to use the pam_exim module available from http://www.e-admin.de/pam_exim/ as this is the only "secure" thing that will work other than to run exim as root.

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(Scripting) languages
by Ricardo Campos 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

I have just had the pleasure of writing a little script in VBS; it took me 30 minutes (including making some coffee) from looking at a webpage that included the syntax to actually completing it- this process would have taken me a day in C. (without having to learn it as well) Problem is, of course, the platform specificity. And of course the M$ link. I know there are various scripting laguages out there, but I really need a simple GUI driven non-script language that I can compile for *nix and win32 (urgh!). The reason for non-scripted is that I would like to use subroutines for common functions. It only needs to handle very simple mathematical calculations. (I'm writing handy calculators for players of a wargame, probably mostly window$ users, but I'm a *nix user, obviously, so it has to have support for us!) Java springs to mind, but it seems so PAINFULLY slow, even to do fairly simple stuff. If it was OO, that would be a bonus too. I suppose I'm just being a bit lazy; I could just compile a C program natively on 'nix AND win32. Potentially, I would like to add these separate elements into one larger program (this is where I would perhaps prefer C). I *WOULDN'T* like to pick up a new language as complex as C *YET*, at least not until I learn to use C properly. Any tips? For example, if you use Java, is there a nice free RAD/IDE for it? Anyone tried Kylix? (I have it on CD) Or maybe you could suggest another approach? Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by MJ Ray 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

Well, as you know, I'm a scheme fan and I think that GNU have definitely done The Right Thing in making a scheme their main extension language, although it's not perfect and is woefully under-used at the moment, even by official GNU software. Hopefully it can become as common as VB is on that other platform, as there's scope to do so much more with it. What we really need are more good libraries for guile and more good simple introductions to it. Teach Yourself Scheme in Fixnum Days is pretty good, though. So for the solution to the problem you have *now*, ie building cross-platform simple GUI non-C apps, I'd suggest taking a look at Visual Tcl, which should easily cope with having a few functions added. Sadly, the docs are rather thin on the ground, but it is basically Tcl behind the scenes, which is a fairly simple language. I think Java would be overkill for such a small app, but that's probably an equally good route, and I don't know Kylix well enough to comment. But I don't really understand why you think scripting means that you can't have functions. The distinction between a scripting language and a programming language is somewhat arbitrary these days. -- MJR This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by flexifoil＠btinternet.com 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

[apologies using webmail!] > Java springs to mind, but it seems so PAINFULLY slow, even to do fairly > simple stuff. If it was OO, that would be a bonus too. Java isnt slow, and it gets my vote... > I suppose I'm just > being a bit lazy; I could just compile a C program natively on 'nix AND > win32. If you just want CLI, then thats easy. > Potentially, I would like to add these separate elements into one larger > program (this is where I would perhaps prefer C). I *WOULDN'T* like to pick > up a new language as complex as C *YET*, at least not until I learn to use C > properly. You could learn as you go... > Any tips? For example, if you use Java, is there a nice free RAD/IDE for it? > Anyone tried Kylix? (I have it on CD) Or maybe you could suggest another > approach? Borlands ? Andrew.

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