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MDK 8.0 probs
by Ricardo Campos 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Here's a little warning for anyone wishing to try Mandrake 8.0:- EVERY source I've compiled has failed. Sometimes rpms work, sometimes they don't (even though they are MDK rpm's). I thought I was just being inept(fairly likey really), but why EVERY source? I looked over various BBS's and realised that I was not the only one... a LOT of people were having this problem. Seems that MDK, in an effort to be cutting edge, has sacrificed reliability and used a less stable version of gcc. grrr. Ref for solution: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?topic=861&forum=5 Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble - A Step Forward
by Edenyard 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:16:02 +0100 (BST), Adam Bower wrote: >> hdc: WEARNES RUBY CD-ROM, ATAPI CDROM drive > (....) > Is that there appears to be problems with Wearnes CD-Rom drives in Gateway > computers and they replaced the drives with Toshiba units as they did not > ship Wearnes due to multiple replacement issues. > Is your machine one made by Gateway by any chance? If not it may be that > the Wearnes drive is not very good or something related. > No - it has a label on the front saying 'Bull' - I was beginning to think that I couldn't agree more.... However, there's progress: I couldn't understand why neither the 2X Wearnes or the 12X Liteon would work with Debian, although they'd both previously installed Redhat 7 without any difficulty. Suddenly (I'm very slow at these things!) it came to me that Redhat uses kernel 2.4, but the troublesome Debian (and Slack with the 12X drive) both use kernel 2.2. I remembered having seen something on the Slackware 8 disks that suggested that the 2.4.5 kernel could be installed if needed. In sheer desperation, I tried making a 2.4.5 bare.i boot disk this morning. Amazingly, Slack 8 installed on the 12X CD drive without a murmur. I did it twice, just to make sure. So it seems as though there's an issue with kernel 2.2 and BOTH of my IDE CD drives, whereas kernel 2.4 and 2.0 (Slack 3.5) apparently have no trouble with those drives. Could this be the case? Anyway - one lives and learns. I wonder what my next hurdle will be.... Gerald.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Unresolved symbols
by Paul 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Hi Folks Just spent the last few days bludgeoning a kernel source in to submission. Finally got it working on a RH6.x system (the RH7.2 will be next). Just one small elephant in the ointment though - When I run depmod, I get a report of unresolved symbols in a handfull of modules, yet when installing them, not an error or warning in sight. The stress tests all run without hanging the system, so I assume there is no major problem with the modules. Question though - Is there an easy way of finding out what symbols are causing the error messages reported by depmod ? Once the errant symbols have been identified, I would hope to be able to fix them without too much trouble. Regards, Paul.

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how to resume dowloads?
by John Woodard 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

When I use that `other' os I have a small utility (Gozilla!) that resumes http downloads if I loose my connection. Is there some way of doing the same in Linux? I know that ftp clients do the same but if I download over http I'd quite like the same facility. Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:02:24 +0100, Steve Fosdick wrote: > Still I guess what we really need to know is what chipset the > IDE interface appears to be from a software point of view, so > we are looking for lines from the output of dmesg like the Below is the output of my dmesg. It doesn't actually report the chipset number, merely 'VP_IDE'. I understand the chipset to be a VIA 580 VPX. Is that a troublesome one? Gerald. ====== dmesg output: ================================================ Linux version 2.2.19 (root@bigkitty) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #22 Wed Jun 20 18:12:16 PDT 2001 (then, a few lines later) Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A pty: 512 Unix98 ptys configured Real Time Clock Driver v1.09 RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x6000-0x6007, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x6008-0x600f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: ST33240A, ATA DISK drive hdc: WEARNES RUBY CD-ROM, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: ST33240A, 3077MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=781/128/63 hdc: ATAPI 2X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 (etc.) =====================================================================

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On 22 Sep 2001 09:09:43 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Might be something about the controller or drive that it doesn't like. > I see you have it on hdc (secondary master, usually). Have you tried > moving it to the same controller as the hard disk (hdb, primary > slave)? If it works then, it's probably that controller it doesn't > I've just tried that suggestion. I set the CD to slave and put it on the HD's ribbon cable. Unfortunately, it's not made any difference. I went into the BIOS setup and disabled the now unused secondary IDE controller, just in case that was responsible, but that had no effect either. Hmmm... Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:55:38 +0100 (BST), Adam Bower wrote: > What kind of io chipset does your motherboard have? as there are a couple > that have bugs under linux. That may be something to look at. > On boot-up, the BIOS reports the string: 02/11/99-82C580VP-2A5LA008C-00 along the bottom of the screen. Also, a hardware diagnosis programme running under DOS on that PC reports: VIA 580 VPXchipset Revision Level.........: 16 Sustained 3T Write.....: Yes CPU Pipeline active....: No DRAM Timing Control....: (x) normal, ( ) fast, ( ) turbo System BIOS cacheable..: No Video BIOS cacheable..: No L2-Cache status........: enabled L2-Cache SRAM Type.....: Pipeline Burst SRAM L2-Cache SRAM Type.....: 256 KB L2 Tag Configuration...: 8+0 L2-Cache WriteBack Mode: No Memory Hole............: none SDRAM Burst Write......: No SDRAM Interleave.......: No CPU/PCI Write Buffer...: Yes PCI/DRAM Post Writing..: Yes PCI/DRAM Prefetch......: Yes PCI Dynamic Bursting...: No PCI Burst..............: No PCI Master 0WS Write...: No Quick Frame Generation.: No Does that answer your question, or should I look somewhere else? Is there a list of chipsets that don't work properly under Linux? Gerald.

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Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

Dear List, Last week, I sent a plea to the list asking for help with installing Slackware and Debian. As a result of that, John Seago kindly delivered his CD sets to me and now I've got Slackware 8 installed and working. It turns out that I had two problems: (1) the Crazy Penguin CDs were no good, and (2) my 12X CD drive kept locking up when installing .TGZ files to HD - if I copied the files to the DOS partition first and installed from there, it worked. My CD drive problem appeared to be solved by getting hold of an old IDE 2X Wearnes drive - that installed Slackware from the CDs, slowly, but without any further problems. Encouraged, I tried installing Debian 2.2r3 from John's CDs. Firstly, it claimed that it couldn't find /cdrom/ (having already installed the 'base system' from CD...) but I seemed to overcome that by installing a different 'flavor' of system - I'd tried idepci at first, but ended up with the 'vanilla' one (is that the right term??). Having installed the abse system, I then got as far as choosing the packages to install. Unfortunately, part way through the package installation, I got these messages: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 {Busy} hdc: ATAPI reset complete hdc: status error: status=0x58 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest} hdc: drive not ready for command (etc.) A new line, similar to those above, would appear every few seconds. The CD LED was permanently on and I couldn't open the drawer. Very similar to the problems I was having with the 12X drive last week. So I'm stumped (again) and my question (eventually!) is: where do I go from here? Why does the CD drive get locked up like this? (And why didn't it happen whilst installing Slackware 8?) Sorry if I seem very stupid asking these questions, but I'm desperate for an answer. (Details: P166-MMX with 64Mb RAM, Cirrus 5446 video onboard, 3Gb HD on hda and IDE CD drive on hdc) Any clues will be very gratefully received! All the best, Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Smugness, Nimda, Linux and Windows
by MJ Ray 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > Well, with a c program, the first exploitable bug you are likely to find > is a buffer overflow. > With perl, you move into the realm of shopping carts, webmail and so on. > Quite often authentication mechanisms are insufficient, poorly thought > out. Also there's the old open(HANDLE, $userstring); thing (where > $userstring is set to "/bin/rm -rf / |") Ah, sorry, I interpreted: "once you take out buffer overflows you end up with the inability of programmers to create a decent authentication system. (Think hotmail, banks, etc)" as meaning that without buffer overflows, you cannot create a decent authentication system, which goes against everything I've ever seen, of course. If we just mean insecure execution with user-tainted data, then I know that bug (and I'm just trying to eradicate it from yet another place). -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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