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Re: [Alug] Suitable threads on main [was: Freeserve being a big
by MJ Ray 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > > Announce - Announcements for all things Alug (meetings, etc.) > Makes sence to me we currently use main for this and if we are all > dividing up the groups we need one central point to look at and > subscribe to with very low posting numbers. No, we don't use main for this. There's announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, but no-one else ever seems to want to post to it (HintHint). I also try to pick the best bits of the main list for it, too. > > Main - Meetings discussion, Linux (installing/config) > > help/discussion, etc > Is not this Main's job as well as install issues and configuration Yep, I think help should stay on main. I think we probably should re-open the old discussion about what people want to see on here. Well, anyone else got opinions on it? Anyone able to write a really great summary of what we want to see on main? I'll add it to the welcome message and web site if you do. > > Social - BBQs a plenty, vaguley Linux related meets and greets, etc. > OK some people want to filter out sillyness. Moo. Actually, it's more to give an outlet for this group of people on things that are really off-topic on the main list, just to avoid having some of the more flammable members calling people "ignorant pigs" (whoops there go the content filters again). More people should subscribe to it (HintHint). > > Developers - discussion for any developers out there (coding, IDEs, etc) > Is not this as central to linux as playing with the config and more of a main > list thing, if this is going to happen maybe a sysadmin list should exist. Maybe hackers(a)lists.alug might be a better name? I think that there are some people who just want to *use* Linux for interesting tasks, rather than hacking around all day. Or does everyone like to hear about the latest tech as well as seeing questions answered and meetings organised? > I know not all of us have toll free internet but at least all our > mails are plain text so the band width is not that bad. [...] I think it's more a human problem than a practical one. Some people just can't read 1000 mails/week, which is what we'd surely do if we let this list go wild. PS - Owen, your mail client appears to truncate subject lines :-/ -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Strong case for text web browsers...
by Ricardo Campos 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

I know this is a little off-topic, but you REALLY need to see http://www.goldchip-uk.com it is the strongest argument for a console-based text webpage viewer I have seen - I promise you, you will laugh. (well, you might cry. Remeber what webpages looked like 5 or 6 years ago?). I just discovered it @ work, so I haven't looked at it in Lynx yet... I couldn't resist the temptation to send the webmaster a little note: ------------------------------ <flame> Your website is quite surely the worst one I have ever seen. And I've seen some *REALLY* bad ones. <snip> ....but as you are a business you should really consider paying a little more attention to the design. After all, it is an advert for your company. This particular advert says "my company is crap". <snip> </flame> ------------------------------ I'm hungover and feeling unkind! >;-P Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] PHP and Java problem
by MJ Ray 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > just an quick response... why are you trying to do this ?? Java is nice, > PHP is nice, but trying to combine the two is like sticking wheels on a > jelly ;) > > If what you are doing is that serious you should be using perl (imho) Bwhahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahah! There are reasons for trying to glue all kinds of things together, but often trying to do this internally to the processes is a bad idea and some sort of message-passing over sockets between servers is a lot easier to do properly. Glue is good... I mean, look at how perl's OO is stuck on as an afterthought. Blessing references? What's all that about, then? -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Lists
by John Seago 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Five lists? Surely what we have is quite sufficient? Syd Hancock says he is not subscribed to `Social', unless you can read them all how do you know that you haven't missed something? Whilst the more esoteric discussions go completely over my head I have a suspicion that I may actually be learning something, even if I don't know what it is. I already have the daily digests in order to ensure that I don't miss anything, five lists mean I've got to subscribe to, and read five lists. If we had more than we do at present there would need to be a link on each to point to matters we might need to read on the others. I am of the opinion that things are fine as they are at the moment, after all it wasn't so long ago that the daily list was down to one or two articles, and the main discussion was on the quality of written English, spelling and grammar. John Seago

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PHP and Java problem
by Martyn Drake 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Well, we don't have the developer list as yet, but here's something to think about as my brain has melted and has been replaced by a robotic one that's just used to ask for more tea. Does anybody here use PHP compiled with Java support (specifically, Kaffe). I'm having a right old time trying to convince Java that it needs to look in a directory. This is a dump of the php.ini file (the java.class.path has to be split over several lines):- [java] java.library.path=/usr/local/lib/kaffe:/usr/local/lib/php/extensions java.library=/usr/local/lib/libkaffevm.so java.class.path=/usr/local/share/kaffe/Klasses.jar:/home/safedoor/classes/ SMSigner.class:/usr/local/lib/php/extensions/php_java.jar: /home/safedoor/classes/jsafe.jar extension_dir=/usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20001222 extension=libphp_java.so Where Java is failing is on the following message. The bit at line 53 reads as $smsigner = new Java("SMSigner");. Fatal error: java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError: [exception was java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: file not found] in /home/safedoor/safedoor.php on line 53 SMSigner is stored within /home/safedoor/classes as explicity declared within java.class.path. Any ideas? Many thanks, Martyn

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Re: [Alug] Freeserve being a big bag of poo?
by MJ Ray 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > I think several large isps have been suffering from the side effects of the > various http infecting worms going around at the moment. There's one Windows worm being particularly active (see CERT) and it has the property that it'll scan its own /24 block 50% of the time, its own /16 25% and random 25%, or something like that. Combine this with the fact that most Windows users are too clueless to even know they've been hit, and significant data loss is required to completely remove this worm (it would seem it's a reinstall job), then you have a nasty problem. At least one ISP is now doing HTTP probes on connection and disconnecting people running unpatched IIS servers. That's only going to spread. Of course, the trans proxies are going to be caned now. That explains it. Anyone for a "Windows Users: You're Wrecking the Internet!" diatribe? ;-) -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Suitable threads on main [was: Freeserve being a big bag of poo?]
by MJ Ray 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

"Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > Misc - anything else that doesn't fit into the above No, let's use social instead of a misc. Although setting up a developers (programmers?) list would be a good move, it seems, I think having a bit-bucket will mean that no-one subscribes to it. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Freeserve being a big bag of poo?
by Adam Bower 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Hi all, I wouldn't normally ask this on the Alug list but I am not subscribed to better places to ask this. Anyway, I just signed up with freeserve not much more than a week ago and their data transfer for webpages seems abysmal? I just telneted to a server that I know is fast and issued a GET / HTTP/1.0 and I could interpret the html faster than it came done the pipe! I know my bandwidth is ok, as ssh works fine to my shell account and ping flooding freeserves main webserver makes the blinken lights stay on constantly while looking at the modem. Anyway my basic question is has anyone else noticed that freeserves Netapps are completley ****** and not wanting to give webpages even if you ask them nicely? or is it something more localised on the Freeserve network? Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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Re: [Alug] Strong case for text web browsers...
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Try this one then: http://www.pace-racing.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Freeserve being a big bag of poo? Yup, tied up with chicken's legs.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Adam Bower wrote: >Anyway my basic question is has anyone else noticed that freeserves >Netapps are completley ****** and not wanting to give webpages even if you >ask them nicely? or is it something more localised on the Freeserve >network? Adam - I use freeserve and, although they are reliable enough for mail, viewing web pages takes about ten times as long at home as it does at work, and some things i can't even access, e.g. linuxnewbie site. I just don't use the net at all at home as a result. I assusmed the problem was at my end up till now, actually. Jen

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