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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:02:24 +0100, Steve Fosdick wrote: > Still I guess what we really need to know is what chipset the > IDE interface appears to be from a software point of view, so > we are looking for lines from the output of dmesg like the Below is the output of my dmesg. It doesn't actually report the chipset number, merely 'VP_IDE'. I understand the chipset to be a VIA 580 VPX. Is that a troublesome one? Gerald. ====== dmesg output: ================================================ Linux version 2.2.19 (root@bigkitty) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #22 Wed Jun 20 18:12:16 PDT 2001 (then, a few lines later) Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A pty: 512 Unix98 ptys configured Real Time Clock Driver v1.09 RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x6000-0x6007, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x6008-0x600f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: ST33240A, ATA DISK drive hdc: WEARNES RUBY CD-ROM, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: ST33240A, 3077MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=781/128/63 hdc: ATAPI 2X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 (etc.) =====================================================================

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On 22 Sep 2001 09:09:43 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Might be something about the controller or drive that it doesn't like. > I see you have it on hdc (secondary master, usually). Have you tried > moving it to the same controller as the hard disk (hdb, primary > slave)? If it works then, it's probably that controller it doesn't > I've just tried that suggestion. I set the CD to slave and put it on the HD's ribbon cable. Unfortunately, it's not made any difference. I went into the BIOS setup and disabled the now unused secondary IDE controller, just in case that was responsible, but that had no effect either. Hmmm... Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:55:38 +0100 (BST), Adam Bower wrote: > What kind of io chipset does your motherboard have? as there are a couple > that have bugs under linux. That may be something to look at. > On boot-up, the BIOS reports the string: 02/11/99-82C580VP-2A5LA008C-00 along the bottom of the screen. Also, a hardware diagnosis programme running under DOS on that PC reports: VIA 580 VPXchipset Revision Level.........: 16 Sustained 3T Write.....: Yes CPU Pipeline active....: No DRAM Timing Control....: (x) normal, ( ) fast, ( ) turbo System BIOS cacheable..: No Video BIOS cacheable..: No L2-Cache status........: enabled L2-Cache SRAM Type.....: Pipeline Burst SRAM L2-Cache SRAM Type.....: 256 KB L2 Tag Configuration...: 8+0 L2-Cache WriteBack Mode: No Memory Hole............: none SDRAM Burst Write......: No SDRAM Interleave.......: No CPU/PCI Write Buffer...: Yes PCI/DRAM Post Writing..: Yes PCI/DRAM Prefetch......: Yes PCI Dynamic Bursting...: No PCI Burst..............: No PCI Master 0WS Write...: No Quick Frame Generation.: No Does that answer your question, or should I look somewhere else? Is there a list of chipsets that don't work properly under Linux? Gerald.

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Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

Dear List, Last week, I sent a plea to the list asking for help with installing Slackware and Debian. As a result of that, John Seago kindly delivered his CD sets to me and now I've got Slackware 8 installed and working. It turns out that I had two problems: (1) the Crazy Penguin CDs were no good, and (2) my 12X CD drive kept locking up when installing .TGZ files to HD - if I copied the files to the DOS partition first and installed from there, it worked. My CD drive problem appeared to be solved by getting hold of an old IDE 2X Wearnes drive - that installed Slackware from the CDs, slowly, but without any further problems. Encouraged, I tried installing Debian 2.2r3 from John's CDs. Firstly, it claimed that it couldn't find /cdrom/ (having already installed the 'base system' from CD...) but I seemed to overcome that by installing a different 'flavor' of system - I'd tried idepci at first, but ended up with the 'vanilla' one (is that the right term??). Having installed the abse system, I then got as far as choosing the packages to install. Unfortunately, part way through the package installation, I got these messages: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 {Busy} hdc: ATAPI reset complete hdc: status error: status=0x58 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest} hdc: drive not ready for command (etc.) A new line, similar to those above, would appear every few seconds. The CD LED was permanently on and I couldn't open the drawer. Very similar to the problems I was having with the 12X drive last week. So I'm stumped (again) and my question (eventually!) is: where do I go from here? Why does the CD drive get locked up like this? (And why didn't it happen whilst installing Slackware 8?) Sorry if I seem very stupid asking these questions, but I'm desperate for an answer. (Details: P166-MMX with 64Mb RAM, Cirrus 5446 video onboard, 3Gb HD on hda and IDE CD drive on hdc) Any clues will be very gratefully received! All the best, Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Smugness, Nimda, Linux and Windows
by MJ Ray 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > Well, with a c program, the first exploitable bug you are likely to find > is a buffer overflow. > With perl, you move into the realm of shopping carts, webmail and so on. > Quite often authentication mechanisms are insufficient, poorly thought > out. Also there's the old open(HANDLE, $userstring); thing (where > $userstring is set to "/bin/rm -rf / |") Ah, sorry, I interpreted: "once you take out buffer overflows you end up with the inability of programmers to create a decent authentication system. (Think hotmail, banks, etc)" as meaning that without buffer overflows, you cannot create a decent authentication system, which goes against everything I've ever seen, of course. If we just mean insecure execution with user-tainted data, then I know that bug (and I'm just trying to eradicate it from yet another place). -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: Freeserve being a big bag of poo?)
by MJ Ray 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

ahayes(a)ntlworld.com writes: > Steve Fosdick wrote: > > So, back to MJR's email in which he says these are windows > > problems. I beg to differ. I think these are M$ problems > > and if M$ dained to write software for Linux it would be > > fraught with all the same issues. OK, maybe we should say these are Microsoft problems. Trouble is, "Microsoft Virus" sounds so much like one of their products, doesn't it? Maybe it is and they are keeping the anti-virus makers in business ;-) > I also think they are programmer problems. Arguments are made saying > it's the language the programmer uses. For example: "c has buffer > overflows, use perl/whatever!", but once you take out buffer overflows > you end up with the inability of programmers to create a decent > authentication system. (Think hotmail, banks, etc) Yes, ultimately the programmer is responsible, but can you name any other company which so fiercely defends the rights of their programmers to create such cock-ups, are reluctant to fix them once found and prevent others from fixing them? I'm intrigued though: why is the ability to create buffer overflows linked to being able to create authentication systems? Maybe I've just not thought about it enough. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Freeserve being a big bag of poo?
by MJ Ray 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

Ignoring my own advice because I think the communication point is important for all linux advocates. Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > Imaging my surprise when I heard that there was another iis worm doing the > rounds! I didn't actually pay any attention to the reports of "another iis > worm, that is going to destroy the internet" as there is a new one every > week. [...] It's not an IIS worm for two reasons: 1/ it uses javascript page modifications on broken IIS boxes and email via Outlook to trick OE and IE to infecting machines who receive data from the infected box; 2/ most Windows users don't know what IIS is anyway, so calling it an "IIS worm" doesn't get the point across. It's a Microsoft Windows Virus. Let's make the mud start sticking. > This one after a bit of reading looks as though it is rather nasty > and explains quite alot, I have heard of one person reporting that his > apache server has been probed nearly 10,000,000 times in less than a day. My estimate from logs at UEA is that between 10 and 20% of web traffic on the UEA network is this virus, although mostly from outside now that iTCS have slapped the compromised machines on campus. I expect more as students in networked rooms plug in, though. It really is a active bugger, this one! > Well I think we have a strong case to prove that Windows is criminally > broken, I wonder if people with rooted iis boxen will finally see the > light when they get the bandwidth bills at the end of the month? You have to remember that the bandwidth bills are also hitting innocents, both because of scans of random IPs, but also because the ISPs will want to pass their costs on. People using Microsoft products are now costing us all money, even if we bought our computers without Windows. This has to stop. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by MJ Ray 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

"Edenyard" <mail(a)edenyard.co.uk> writes: > with the 'vanilla' one (is that the right term??). Having installed the Yes. > So I'm stumped (again) and my question (eventually!) is: where do I > go from here? Why does the CD drive get locked up like this? (And why > didn't it happen whilst installing Slackware 8?) Might be something about the controller or drive that it doesn't like. I see you have it on hdc (secondary master, usually). Have you tried moving it to the same controller as the hard disk (hdb, primary slave)? If it works then, it's probably that controller it doesn't like. Whether you want to try that depends how comfortable you are with rewiring and moving jumpers. It would give a good clue as to what's wrong, though. Of course, if the two controllers are identical and it works, that's very very strange. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Rackspace Affliate = Dosh for Alug?
by MJ Ray 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

"Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > The income will be miniscule, but anything like this that can go towards the > cost of running the server is welcome, and if things work out better than > expected, then funds can then be made available to Alug. Should we derestrict it totally and say that all-comers can advertise on the site in exchange for donations to group funds? Doesn't that mean we should appoint two treasurers to watch over such things on behalf of the LUG? -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Windows Users: You're Wrecking the Internet!
by MJ Ray 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

"Earl Brannigan" <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> writes: > Sorry, I'm a developer. When I spend 2 days writing 3 lines of code because > I can't get off the phone from these Jerks, then it really gets me. Now I > have to work late or early or Saturday or something to get back on target > with my real work ! Maybe this is a little naive to say this, but if we're developing for a customer, you can't actually reach us directly by phone. Hopefully prospective customers appreciate that when they pay us money, we work on their stuff and don't get distracted by the sort of long drawn-out conversations a few people like to have about issues that don't really concern us (eg this one). Secretaries are wonderful things (when they get the messages right). ;-) You can always reach us by email, though, and we try to answer all calls the same day. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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