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Re: [Alug] Debian CDs and Alien
by Ricardo Campos 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Damn this IE business! Unfortunately, I sometimes cannot read parts of webpages... this includes my hotmails, but it's intermittent. So *NOW* I see you're away on sunday. I can mail you the CD's if you want, but in that case I *would* like something in return. :p -Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] Debian CDs and Alien
by Ricardo Campos 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

>Or of course we can run a kind of Sneaker net, in that someone near >Norwich (this includes me) can take the CDs from Ricardo and pass them on >to Alexis when they are in Norwich. I'm in Norwich, although I'm pretty busy at the mo. But I don't really mind dropping it off if you're in central norwich (I live off Dereham rd.) Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] Debian CDs and Alien
by Ricardo Campos 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

If you're at the lug meet on sunday, you can have Progeny for free! :) (well, you can cover all 60p of the costs for the two CD's!!) I have a CD burner and an always-on internet conn at work! ;) Ricardo, "Surely this monstrous hybrid comes not from a mother's womb but from an Ephialtes, an Incubus, or some other horrendous demon, as though spawned in a putrid and venemous fungus, son of Fauns and Nymphs, more Devil than man." -Athanasius Kircher, Mundus Subtarraneus, Amsterdam, 1665, pp.279-280 Coming soon: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Debian CDs and Alien
by Alexis Lee 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Having nuked my Mandrake the other day trying to install Debian from floppy (bah humbug cfdisk), I'm impatient to get _something_ working. I could get Progeny, and hence a nice installer, for £10 plus postage. Or I could get the first official non-US for just postage, or all 6 official non-US for £10. Not being so bothered about source I won't read anyway, I'm cool on the last option, but it does have two extra CDs of 'stuff'. Anyone got opinions of which of these is the best bang for buck? Is the Progeny installer worth the CD it's burnt on? Do the extra 2 CDs have worth while stuff on them? If I can get away with it, it'd be neat to get the single CD and use alien to install lots of packages from my Mandrake CDs. How good is alien? It sounds quite promising actually, but do packages built with it update all the right dbs? Oh and of course, if anyone is willing to post or pop round CDs to Norwich, I'd be grateful. Can't make this meeting 'cause I'm in Holland, and I want something done before the next one so I can start setting up OpenGL again. Alexis -- "You got what everyone gets. A lifetime." - Death (Sandman by Neil Gaiman) "I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education" - Wilson Mizner "It doesn't matter who you vote for. The government always gets in."

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Re: [Alug] XSL Formatting Objects Question - Setting Document Defaults
by MJ Ray 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > But then, it would be much neater to have a Cache object. What is a Cache object? Yes, that's a philosophical question ;-) > Depends whether you count the JRE included in browsers. And whether Guile > is Scheme or not- I think Gnome uses Guile for something, so that would up > numbers a lot. Yep, Guile is Scheme. And how many current browsers include JREs? Isn't that a dying trend? Java is surely a language which has had its day in the sun... now to see how it weathers a winter. > Incidentally Mark, as a reward for getting this far I'll admonish you to > make the URLs on your homepage relative. They're all at cloaked still. Huh? My personal site is entertainingly broken at the moment (try it in moz), but I don't recall there being any non-relative internal URLs on it, as that's a pet hate of mine. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: The Economics of Reproduction
by John Seago 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

The following site may be of some relevance/Interest to the abovementioned article: http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ Or perhaps I miss the point of the article, I apologise if I am preaching to the converted. John

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Re: [Alug] Re: Debian Difficulties
by MJ Ray 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

"Earl Brannigan" <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> writes: > 2)Still can't get X to work for anyone other than root, despite hours of > info reading (X is very well documented but still not very easy to follow. I > now know that there are a number of files that need setting up in the users > directory, but its a bit of a scary one. I'll post something when I have a > resolution. Shouldn't need any files in the user dir if you set the /etc/X11 files up correctly. Some of them, like Xsession.options, have their own debian man pages. Quite what the problem could be, I can't think. > 4)I had been having some probs with apt-get / dselect and found that having > the update cdrom (Linux Expo 2001) referenced in /etc/apt/sources.list was > causing dselect to 'suggest' upgrading all sorts. I don't like dselect. console-apt/capt works far better for me. > The only weak points with dpkg and dselect though is finding a package that > supplies a file dpkg -S file ? > Observations on a week in debian land : > 1)Debian is not for the beginner nor the faint hearted. Maybe not. People are working on it, though. > 2)Debian does not pretend to be for the beginner or the faint hearted. It desires to be. > 3)Debian likes to scare the faint hearted and make beginners suffer. Nonsense! Beginners are reluctant to report bugs, though. > 5)My back aches, my neck aches, my eyes are tired, I need sleep. Your hands are aching and your knees are raw? -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Debian talk Sunday
by Adam Bower 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Hi all, I am very sorry but I don't think that the Debian talk I was planning to give will take place this Sunday. The main reason being that I have been rather ill since a few days after coming back from Belgium, some others who were there have also reported the same so it is not just open source software we share :-) I do hope that I recover enough to get the talk together but I find that unlikely at the moment. I will of course make sure that the talk happens at the next meeting after Syleham though. If you still want me to do things to your computer involving Debian though I would be very happy to do so :-) Thanks Adam PS I managed to hack a Bios update for my Vaio so I no longer need a USB floppy drive... -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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Mandrake 8
by John Seago 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

Having managed to thoroughly cock up both the software and hardware on my computer, to the extent that Chris, had to dismantle it put the hard drive into his and then heal its wounds, the reconstructed box is now working with windows on the first disk. Trying to reinstall Mandrake 8, I found that it would go as far as the point where it needs to access the CD and then get stuck, Chris's diagnosis is that Mandrake can only see a CD Drive that is a secondary slave instead of as it is now set up the secondary master. Has anyone any suggestions, or come across this problem before? I do have disks for Red Hat, but on my machine, when trying to install at 'lowres' the screen displays black text on nearly black background, and is thus unreadable. The more exciting disks, Slackware 8, Debian, Progeny, are beyond my capabilities and being saved for the long winter learning process. John Seago

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sundays meeting- lift sought
by Michelle Louise Oelschig 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

Hello There Have recently joined this mailing list... am resident in Ipswich near Christchurch Park, and would like to attend sunday's meeting, but lack transport and am totally unfamiliar with the area having recently moved here from South Africa. If anyone reading this lives in the Ipswich area and could offer me a lift, i would be grateful. Many Thanks, Mici Oelschig ____ "Beyond the door Strange cruel beautiful years are waiting for you..." -Johnny Clegg

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