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ALUG-IRC 29 Jan
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Sorry, I was a bit slow starting the log this week. If anyone wants to fill in the early bit, please do. Not *that* much to report... <slef> Topics discussed included cvs, solaris and goose grease Hooray for wiggis making his first meeting... so who else is going to make this Sunday's meeting? IRC log started Mon Jan 29 20:12:36 2001 <miniman> BigJohn: have a look at http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/1998-Jan/0059.html <BigJohn> ok <ashley> slef: Yes * louisd (louisd(a)host62-7-80-62.btinternet.com) has joined #alug <BigJohn> miniman:oic <slef> ashley: let me just set you up an account... can you msg me a crypt'd password (perl -e 'print crypt("password","2chars")."\n"') <louisd> Hi, any sign of rdc yet? <slef> louisd: not yet, I think <miniman> BigJohn: there may be a replacement <BigJohn> miniman: updated mini how-to at the ldp site <miniman> ah <louisd> Hi slef, I got the Solaris install in the post last week. I have yet to summon up the courage to install it. <BigJohn> haven't read it yet though * wiggis (mark(a)m503-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com) has joined #alug <wiggis> Hi <slef> louisd: I'm now running our Solaris boxes... if you find any good resources, please let me know ;) <BigJohn> miniman: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+WinNT.html <slef> wiggis: hello <slef> ashley: you still alive? <BigJohn> evening wiggis and louisd <wiggis> So what's happening out in the Fens then? * ashley has signed off (Ping timeout for ashley[userkb57.uk.uudial.com]) <slef> louisd: and it would seem "killall" on the alphas is as destructive as on Solaris... I nearly did that to them today without thinking. <louisd> slef: One of our systems chaps tried to install it but it grumbled about his AGP video card. <slef> wiggis: wouldn't know... only got home an hour ago. <slef> wiggis: and it's too damn foggy to see outside <louisd> Hi BigJohn <wiggis> I'm in Peterborough <wiggis> Really nasty night here 2 <slef> louisd: oh yeah... solaris x86's hardware support is poorer than BSD's is poorer than Linux's <BigJohn> so who is coming on Sunday then? <slef> BigJohn: I will be <wiggis> Can't make it - just toooo busy <slef> I *think* I'm going via Norwich to pick up 2 or 3 others, but that's a damn irritation <slef> wiggis: do PLUG do anything still? <BigJohn> slef: I took that as read <louisd> slef: looks like I'll have to get an old PCI card to stick in while I muck about with it. <BigJohn> wiggis: shame <wiggis> So what's this about Solaris? Is is really *that* crap on x86? * ashley (ash(a)userhq05.uk.uudial.com) has joined #alug <ashley> back again - bloody dialup! <slef> wiggis: yes. It's crap on Suns too. <miniman> i'll be comming along sunday too <louisd> Heh! <wiggis> Was thinking about getting a copy (77 quid) <slef> ashley: needless to say, I didn't get your msg. <wiggis> Am running loads of RedHat 6.2 servers at the mo. <ashley> slef: can you repeat the command to create an encrypted password <wiggis> Apart from the odd glitch - they're very well behaved <louisd> wiggis: I got my install for �57 <wiggis> :-O <slef> perl -e 'print crypt("password","2chars")."\n"' I think... use 2 random chars where it says <louisd> wiggis: Mind you, I got stung on the carriage. <slef> wiggis: care to tell me where so I can send them Ramen? ;-) <slef> Seriously, did anyone see that thing? <ashley> slef: Password is - ef0Rp65zbmLlM <wiggis> I think I'll leave Solaris 4 the mo.. <g> <wiggis> 2 much 2 do <slef> ashley: don't paste it in channel... <BigJohn> slef: I'm sending you my crypted pass now so I can do the write up on the meeting (if I get time) <slef> BigJohn: ok <wiggis> Got to go... Have to cook dinner - I actually remembered the chat for once <-List Lurker <slef> wiggis: good to see you... I need to cook too <wiggis> <- May delurk sometime soon <g> <wiggis> Bye folks! * wiggis has signed off (Read error to wiggis[m503-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com]: Connection reset by peer) <slef> coo, abrupt disconnect <miniman> so it's 1400hrs sunday <miniman> the meeting that is <slef> yeah... you've been there before, haven't you? <louisd> How often are the meetings? <slef> louisd: we aim for monthly, but don't manage it <louisd> I'd like to come along to one as soon as I've moved up there. <slef> louisd: when are you moving? <BigJohn> louisd: where are you now then? <louisd> mid-end of April. Perhaps sooner if I find a job. <louisd> I'm in Guernsey. <BigJohn> bit too much of a swim to come to alug meets at the mo then <louisd> Even with a good covering of goose grease <BigJohn> hehe * jmkg (jg(a)jmkg.net) has joined #alug <slef> ohhhh, this is going to look good in the write-up! <slef> Topics discussed included cvs, solaris and goose grease <BigJohn> jkmg: now how did I know you were on your way over here:) <slef> lo jg <jmkg> heh * jmkg thanks BigJohn for the subtle poke [#alug] * slef reckons ashley has died again * miniman doesn't want to know about jmkg personal life ;-) [#alug] <ashley> I'm still here <jmkg> miniman: probably wise * BigJohn nothing subtle about my poking! :-) [#alug] <miniman> heh <slef> BigJohn: now why do you think we wanted to know that either? <BigJohn> hohoho... <slef> from inside the meetings dir do: cvs add -m 'Adding next meeting' filename.xml <slef> ww <BigJohn> jmkg: you coming on Sunday? <jmkg> hrm <jmkg> I guess that means I have to read my mail then <BigJohn> ALUG meeting at Syleham 2:00pm <slef> BigJohn: I'll drop you the access instructions later (as soon as I've written them), OK? <slef> jmkg: you could just read comp.os.linux.announce ;-) <jmkg> hmm, any transport from Norwich available? <slef> right, I need to go cook things... look forward to seeing you at Syleham and you'll hear from me later ;-) <BigJohn> slef: cheers I'll see what I can do then <slef> jmkg: possibly... depends how many others are going... five people, one car :/ <jmkg> heh <slef> jmkg: jg(a)linuxnewbie.com? <jmkg> I'll climb on the roofrack <jmkg> can do, or jg(a)jmkg.net <BigJohn> no make brett sit on the roof <jmkg> latter easier to type <jmkg> hrem <BigJohn> hehe <jmkg> anyone know anything about digital tv? Is it possible to hack something to make a normal tv tuner card pick it up and maybe even decode it> <slef> jmkg: but harder to remember <slef> right, see you all later <jmkg> bbiaf -- MJR

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hello
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi, I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks and thought it might be time to introduce myself... Been using Linux for a few years, currently living just south of Cambridge with my boyfriend who has been a Linux junkie since way back... Anyway, we're thinking of coming along this weekend if no-one has any wild objections? Maybe see you there! Regards, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Reminder: ALUG-IRC at 8...
by MJ Ray 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

As ever, ALUG-IRC will be on eu.openprojects.net 8001 #alug at 2000 UK time today (ie 40 minutes). Full instructions on how to connect are still not written, so try irc.themes.org, irchelp.org or the poor paragraph on the ALUG site. Sorry about the lateness of this reminder -- anyone want to cron one? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by Simon Parkes 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Ok Bill, thanks for that, but.... I'm getting the memory error message when running lilo -v, so can I assume that it checks to see how much memory is/will be used by the new kernel.. Also I installed via and RPM if that makes any difference.. I am considering just going straight for the 2.4 kernel, maybe that would be a bit less painful? Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: wbh <W.B.Hill(a)uea.ac.uk> To: Simon Parkes <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems... > OK, my guesses. When an x86 PC boots, the BIOS doesn't leave it in > protected mode (in order for DOS to work, don'tcha love it!) So only the > first Meg of memory is available. The linux kernel's gotta fit into this, > before it can switch from real mode. So, the kernel image is too big. > > >Added linux > Boot image: /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 > > Kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 is too big <----- what have I done wrong > > > > ##### Here's my lilo.conf ###### > > <SNIP> > > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 > > This is a compressed image, so seems to have worked. > > > label=linux > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.14-5.0.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/sda7 > > > > image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 > > This isn't, and is apparently too big. > > > label=linux16 > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-3.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/sda7 > > So, recompile that kernel image with less in/more as modules/ using "make > bzImage" to get better compression. > > TTFN, > Bill > >

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RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by Simon Parkes 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi everyone... Hoping that somone can shed a bit of light on a problem I'm having.. I have installed all the necessary rpm's (I think), yet after editing the lilo.conf and running lilo -v I'm getting a strange error message telling me that it's too big !!! (See below) The output from free is ... total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 257676 47808 209868 11668 5412 26944 -/+ buffers/cache: 15452 242224 Swap: 207984 0 207984 If it at all helps, the hardware is an IBM Netfinity 4500, Single Proc, 256MB RAM, Hardware RAID5 using the IBM Servraid 4L adapter. ##### Output from "lilo -v" ###### LILO version 21, Copyright 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger Reading boot sector from /dev/sda Merging with /boot/boot.b Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.2.14-5.0.img Added linux Boot image: /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 Kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 is too big <----- what have I done wrong ##### Here's my lilo.conf ###### boot=/dev/sda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 linear default=linux16 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 label=linux initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.14-5.0.img read-only root=/dev/sda7 image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 label=linux16 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-3.img read-only root=/dev/sda7 TIA Simon P.S. I'll be bringing this machine along to the next ALUG meet.. An organization is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels, some climbing up, some fooling around and some simply just idling.... The monkeys on top looks down and see a tree full of smiling faces.... The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes...

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Something hiding on my system - anyone have any ideas
by MJ Ray 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Wrong address used. alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk is the list address. Message-ID: <01C0877D.F7100D60.earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> From: Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> To: "'alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk'" <alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> Subject: Something hiding on my system - anyone have any ideas Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:54:24 -0000 Hi all, New around here, been following the posts for a few weeks - Hoping to make it to Syleham and do the intros there. Anyways - anybody come across this before : Last night I tried to log on to my box and no joy - wouldn't accept any passwords!] OK so I did a quick re-boot and fix with the installation disk (I'm running Red-hat 6.2)- log in and get the message "You have mail". So I open the mail to find a send failure, redirected to root@localhost. Then I scan the message to find the contents of my /etc/shadow file nicely included in the body of the mail! - together with some TCP info (ip address etc) OK So it seems I got Trojaned. OK OK So I should have tripwire or AIDE installed.... I haven't cleaned the box yet - gonna be a major prob to do that. Is anyone aware of any known trojans with this behaviour. The key - I think - is the sendto address on the mail : mmteam(a)techemail.criticalpath.net Ring any bells?? (BTW please feel free to pass this mail on to any buds who may be interested). I haven't checked the email address yet, I was thinking of rewriting the encrypted password entries to render tham useless then sending the mail, or just sending a blank email to see if it bounces (ie. they've moved on) or if not then the only reason I know about this is the fact that my sendmail is not set up at all. Just goes to show - I have been a naughty boy recently and downloaded tons of stuff from FTP Sites all over the place but I think I could narrow the suspect packages down to about 5 or 6 if pushed. Cheers Hope to see you all at Syleham. Cheers Earl "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." - Thomas Alva Edison -- MJR

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Linux Weekly, free subscription
by laurie.brown＠idl-bt.com 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

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[Various] Digested Articles
by MJ Ray 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Today's spam for you. It's also been said that I should encourage you all to register with the Linux Counter at http://counter.li.org/ if you haven't already. Topics: [OPN-Content]List is open. Press release, first annoucerment. Discussion may beginn. Thank you. MontaVista Software opening engineering department in UK. Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:13:13 +0100 From: Darian Lanx <bio(a)gmx.net> To: content(a)lists.openprojects.net Subject: [OPN-Content]List is open. Press release, first annoucerment. Discussion may beginn. Thank you. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Vienna 24th January 2001. On behalf of Rob Levin, OPN owner, and Darian Lanx, OPN #content project leader, the following announcement is released for public discussion. Please note, that you can review the rules for posting to this list following this link: http://lists.openprojects.net/pipermail/content/2001-January/000010.html All times given on this list should default to UTC+/-0. Please make sure you have looked up how your time zone is relative to UTC. If there are pending meetings, they will be announced in UTC. Any other given times, which carry no suffix are assumed to be UTC. For those who cannot access Mail at all times, this mailing list is mirrored on our news server. Please point your news reader to leguin.org.uk and subscribe to the list op.discussion. Every message sent to the mailing list will be shon in that group. In a few days we will release the technical specifications for this project. Until then, please discuss the points stated below, and encourage your friends to join in. - - -------------------------------------------------------------- The content site will provide features and news on open source projects and the people who work on them. Project successes and needs will be highlighted, new and promising projects will be covered, and we'll interview participants to find out the problems they've had and the lessons they've learned in running their projects. We'll be interested in solicited technical articles from project participants, or helping them put together such articles, as a way to highlight the efforts of their projects. We'll cover such topics as project advocacy, recruiting, collaborative and project management skills and how they affect project efficiency. Topics will include the integration of conventional CS and industry thought and technique, with the informal style of the community: what works, what doesn't, and how we can all improve our open source project skills. Topics will include education and research, techniques, snags and approaches, as well as the need for inter-project coordination. On the philosophical side, we'll highlight questions such as: Why do people do open source? How do they make it work? What significance does it have for them? Plans for the site do not currently include user forums; many sites such as Kuro5hin and Slashdot already link original content on the web to user discussion areas. There will be an "email to the editor" section but it will contain selected emails of editorial interest. The emphasis of the site will be on news, features and editorial comment. The site will embody a set of editorial viewpoints for which Open Projects is well known: (1) The community profits from expansion. But new participants need to be integrated well into the community. Community participants who help recruit new participants and help integrate them into the community should be recognized. Methods for doing so will be a topic of editorial discussion from time to time. (2) The community profits from improved communication and collaboration skills. Community participants whose skills in these areas are exemplary should be recognized for their efforts. (3) Open and free communication make free software development possible. Groups and organizations which defend the ability of developers to work in a public setting without falling prey to legal attack should be recognized for their efforts. Efforts to obstruct projects by legal means should be covered as important community news. (4) Decentralized, parallel structures are robust. Centralized functionality tends to produce bottlenecks when individual projects or structures with no backup fail to function properly. The community takes advantage of parallelization in the form of projects with overlapping functionality, as well as with the ability to fork existing projects. Multiple web servers, multiple ftp clients, multiple shells and editors, multiple desktop managers all contribute to the stability and robustness of community efforts as a whole. So, basically, duplication of effort can be a safety feature for the community. Projects with similar or overlapping goals will be compared and contrasted in such a way that their differences are clear. We will not take the editorial position that having fewer overlapping projects is automatically better. (5) Project politics reduces the effectiveness of project participants. Community members who rise above political concerns and who build bridges between projects should be recognized for their efforts. For example, we'll promote developers who are willing to port KDE applications to Gnome, and vice-versa. We'll recognize the efforts of community members who work to include rival projects in standards discussions. (6) The free software model has useful implications for society at large and may have applicability to projects involving technology or information transfer. We will attempt from time to time to highlight those implications and applications of similar models outside the free software community. Rob Levin & Darian Lanx - - -- Si vis pacem, para bellum - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQNfAwUBOm9TedYKnjdA0qXCFAMbeQ0fdJqyg/1TNp5V6aV9hODdNM0yPrGFVeLG AIuHtwpOymR3BQq198naxi0wLoGUPr03jdxty2A2qKCTlFSWKea5d/K+lm7mzacs vhjo5EzMsB1r/enxWhYSPakkLF02MCjvTBi8R4+EREe6nG/Bg/tZIoh+7rc2XaJH oJcqRN2i5ZIOoAmmDGXF14eOCMhnQ/YVyZPtwkccfB23urpmgwJkuDUj5vxmq8ge mqV+cWfepPXRhJcNtnass9uuw3fRS/Jeh5IMwHDGCddY11f9t1XrhyIxAV69oi/Q idtF49P2gN2QtbpuwmRMPJ98x3qdLpLjoD2H9hBK3dwvV1gvirZeZdbGcSKP8ESN ba4W8E/U2ZT3krXpsf0s0mzl3fCqJrUvAguC6oKPUgBdm7Lm5Kpfl9+1+hjzj9sY szkAxXzN7L2juOHqYHaCSMybdTGVJYXLe9zxH82YPRS+3imgKUkSwQM4KMAEEBMF etGaZvus3qrgCvN7PcW4dNHlKVVAiyt6GFZehbQ30ao68/BApN0gvA66BU0GgJQW fosst6a957r5UkboDSCYPFj3uHvzHvfLRPA/f5wofO9pKxC1nN9Z50RL29+dsdBR lUtDrTPzHlilF/d+tnW8M8BCwO+wogz8kNe379rCXb3NlIo/u+yCZk+31SLLgqmK SJpZj+810RXuqmH+0gnDe43LH4S1rw9C5F1tCkuAhtRnGUn3Hrjcv41nq+iIbs+m ZtITuQH8jnBpEYiQg+09u39dRYOc3e1TQ3GJjQl6uxCbwyrULOZirS2xU49Fbfs2 qJupw86BWmVQ+fJaW1x1Mn39XeiN344iUaipMkW0wMSV3S3QP+iP1O9X7u2S/JJ0 ENXNJvElDdFqluB5u6vLKzH5cFdCfXnfWQ8ncN9EAmOEC2uUyDAIeGIBe7hNZepd 7i1voxQfys0wX8kICWtnJT17tr09SMfu7xJSnGzEew6bqx0ONuu4HLD2/aD4qRFV 6H+bEQ2mMwNXYWVXCB3x56LYcikk9BJ9S4ydig0VHjJfJs7xH/3aWkPjiAXz0Oyc AHQ/meikw4facfWtpOtBGvKjBRw5+I8oT/gLvL8FiWA9uxxq0vgYGz4bY3MdqfsT 1I8= =ZdUu - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQFmAwUBOm9Tqa06Ea18zay0FAOoVgU3dvtSMoqd13bfVaGU2lRH5tr3kNDoHDlj MjoXMiRiHvqH5TYYw9jejBibCmnBCgLr7lHYnK/y4Qun37lhb5Itpgzd8s6OU8mF DII00QG0UgSo7NttSq72718U9jU9rG1/pitMuQLfbCT0nqjrE4O6mpSYb+iZhqRP IgMDXyFmh0vzgiCNDG2BdJliOpKkvAAnBkoHwT3DQHOYDOq+PGI/UGxUGsufarMF P1fBjvp1hkJs316sTMQcNmt/zXSN7YhKEqq8A1uBL04l2NuPT99gxBGXEjHb3pQd ykcHZ18TmQs2y7gSQDAsg5OkOBZotMhM8k05zZBzdvMdxdof5aBvz/QftXUi9JbJ GxpixNBiuRyD90CN49IpXqlAfrTcP8IL5nqjFT/PVrloA77WSw2wrhvD1GG4YRrk VxCXAdwOrcdEI+FPzdyp6M82MbMPRpXu+g= 4Vqv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:34:43 -0000 From: I Graham <igraham(a)scheduledevelopments.co.uk> Subject: MontaVista Software opening engineering department in UK. Hi, I was pointed at this address by some guys in the Hampshire LUG, so I hope this e-mail is appropriate to this list. I am with MontaVista Software, the makers of HardHat Linux for embedded systems, and we are in the process of opening our international engineering department (non-US) based in Bracknell, Berkshire. I am looking for experienced Linux developers to join the engineering team in a variety of roles, including technical support and professional services. I don't want to post detailed job specs here but typically this will involve kernel and device driver work in C, as well as other embedded specific work, such as Micro Windows, FLTK Toolkit, etc, in C and C++. There is probably the opportunity for travel throughout Europe and to the Sates and maybe to Japan. There will be some customer facing aspects to some of the roles. The markets that MontaVista targets include things like consumer electronics, telecomms, set top boxes and internet TV. In short, embedded devices with limited resources that can benefit from Linux. If you would like more information, please e-mail or phone me :- Telephone : 07787114306 E-mail : IGraham(a)Schedule.Demon.co.uk Ian Graham Director, International Engineering MontaVista Software (www.MVista.com) P.S. You'll notice that I haven't even got my e-mail running through MVista servers yet. This really is getting in at the beginning. I want to set up an open evening and will do so in early February, depending on the response to this e-mail. -- MJR

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Linux Music
by David Freeman 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

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Re: [Alug] What happens at meetings?
by MJ Ray 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > I'm sorry to be a pest, but I am completely in the dark as to what actually > happens at an ALUG meeting - from what i can gather we all turn up with as > many bits as possible and join them together and get them > working/networked/whatever whilst drinking copious amounts of hot liquids. > Or cold, if there is a pub at the end of the road. That seems fairly accurate so far! :-) Well, they've usually just been fixing and networking, but sometimes there have been particular demonstrations or topics to the meeting. I think it's agreed that we'd like another side to the meeting with presentations etc, but people have been fairly slow in coming forward. There were a few (good, as I recall) ideas, so is anyone wanting to commit to talking at Syleham? Subject to John's agreement (as organiser), part of the Syleham meeting will be a round-table so we can tell you what we know about LinuxDay and get help in organising it. [Can't remember if we agreed that last night. I'll just check the log. Yep, looks like it.] And if someone wants to do a talk/presentation too (just one fairly short one this time, please), then speak out now. > Are there many at meetings, do you know each other, are there any others > like myself who are struggling with the basics still, is it worth coming > even if you don't bring your linux box, etc? Numbers have varied up to about two dozen in the past, but list membership has grown by 50% or so since the last meeting, so perhaps we should look for at least that now. The ones who have been around from day one know each other and there are groups from the two unis, but some new faces arrive each time and are welcomed into the fold. And it's still worthwhile without a box, but not as fun because it does mean that you're more of a spectator than a participant. If we can get some talks off the ground, it would make it even more worthwhile, but there's a strong chatting side to it too. > Do send me a pointer to any info up on LUG sites if I've missed it. http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ (needs completing: volunteers?) and http://www.lug.org.uk/ perhaps. -- MJR

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