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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Chris Allen <chris(a)cjx.com> writes: > Browsing the web: > Netscape - Soooo slow.. Netscape is OK unless you have tables in tables in tables... etc. Mozilla seems to be better, but still not quite ready for prime-time. > Email: > Sylpheed is the only program I have found that comes close to Eudora [...] > Usenet news: > PAN - not as polished as Agent but no real complaints here I'm using XEmacs/Gnus with the gnus-agent feature to read both my email and news. I do the same on both my home and office machines (although the office one isn't agentised, as it's on a permanent connection), with roles, filtering, adaptive scoring, virtual groups, etc, and it just leaves anything else trailing in the dust. The price you pay for that is extensive configuration is needed to make the extensive configurability work for you. (However, I am a lisp/scheme fan, so it's not bad for me.) > Office Apps: > Star Office? - So slow even on a 500Mhz PIII that it makes windows > look fast. StarOffice is memory-hungry, I believe. I use the Gnome Office combination of AbiWord (still beta, but 90% there now) for quick letters and Gnumeric for spreadsheets, but I'm not that intensive a user of either (as my papers are in LaTeX and number crunching in R or XLisp). > What do you all use for your main desktop machine? And are you > productive with it? As you can guess for the above, both of my desktop machines run Linux and I'm fairly productive with it. (cue sarky comments from others) > [...] less productive on a Linux desktop machine because > I am for ever hacking, updating and fixing things instead of getting > on with my work! Oh yes, you have to get something that works, set it up right and then try to leave it alone rather than "improve" forever, as you can with Linux. With closed OSes (eg MacOS that we have at work), you don't have the option of doing that. > p.s. Anyone else from around Leiston here? I had to look it up on the map... -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Picky ?!!!
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > Don't mean to be picky here, but on the alug website it says that the next > meeting in in the year 2000 ?? I know it was a leap year but.... What page does it say that on, please? Both http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting6.html and http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ say 2001 and I can't find it with grep.... -- MJR

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Re: hello
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

> From: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:56:44 +0000 > > Greetings, Jo, > I was looking forward to Sunday (I was going to bring my laptop and hope > that some genius could casually type in a few commands here and there and > get the pc card and networking going that I gave up on weeks ago) (I also > had this idea that we would be eating a lot of biscuits and drinking a lot > of coffee which is always a pleasant thought) but I can't make that date. > Enjoy. > Jenny. > Whereabouts S of Camb are you from? Hi, I'll eat plenty of biscuits for you, then ;) We're in Balsham- are you nearby? Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Re: [Alug] Test Alug Site
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Q: Why is the ALUG website like a bus? "Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > The test site should be ready by the end of the evening. A: You spend months waiting for one, then two come along at once. -- MJR

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Test Alug Site
by Martyn Drake 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi folks, I'm shortly about to try a test web site out at http://test.alug.org.uk using the thatware.org system. For those that haven't seen thatware, it's simply a Slashdot (or PHP-Nuke) like system for posting news articles. With a series of admins, we will be able to publish announcements and venue information easily. The test site should be ready by the end of the evening. Regards, Martyn

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Sony Vaio PCMCIA cd-rom drive
by Adam Bower 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi People, Does anyone have one of the above? as I have had my vaio with transmeta processor for a few months now and havn't got around to installing linux (no netboot, no cd-rom drive, no floppy drive, and loadlin doesn't work grrr..). I have tried loadlin and the kernel does not come up!? and using a USB floppy is ok but I havn't now got the floppy drive as it was borrowed and I would need to make new boot disks with USB floppy support (which is a pain). also I have been ill for the past week so may not make it on Sunday, and almost certainly won't have new Debian cd's. Adam

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RE: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

--- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > Cheers, > Yes I'll have a look on Sunday please. No probs > WBH has sent me a copy of his boilerplate - which should keep me busy > for a > few weeks ;-) > I intend to bring a jaz drive with me on Sunday (haven't got a cdw > yet so > I'm hoping to borrow the company Jaz instead (should give me a chance > to > play SCSI anyways) - together with the necessary stuff for > SourceNavigator, > Insight and gdb5.0 if anyone wants to grab a copy. > I also intend to have a network card in my machine by then but if not > does > anyone know how to link up using another method (parallel, serial, > modem)? > Cheers > Earl Remind me on friday and I'll try and bring a spare network card you can use during the meet, or alterantively get hold of a serial cable and use slip. Thanks D > On 30 January 2001 17:29, David Freeman __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: [Alug] Development in Linux
by Earl Brannigan 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Cheers, Yes I'll have a look on Sunday please. WBH has sent me a copy of his boilerplate - which should keep me busy for a few weeks ;-) I intend to bring a jaz drive with me on Sunday (haven't got a cdw yet so I'm hoping to borrow the company Jaz instead (should give me a chance to play SCSI anyways) - together with the necessary stuff for SourceNavigator, Insight and gdb5.0 if anyone wants to grab a copy. I also intend to have a network card in my machine by then but if not does anyone know how to link up using another method (parallel, serial, modem)? Cheers Earl On 30 January 2001 17:29, David Freeman [SMTP:david_freeman@rocketmail.com] wrote: > I Can only recommend the book > > Programming with GNU Software > Mike Loukides and Andy Oram > O'reilly > ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 > > (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) > > It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the > CVS system. > > Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as > an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple one > for you) > > HTH > > Thanks > > D >

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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Bad practice to reply to your own posts but also have a look at [http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/net] - good guide to network programming http://www.cis.udel.edu/~totten/vi/ for using VI. I also have a useful link if I can find the bookmark, mail me direct if you want it. Thanks D --- David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote: > I Can only recommend the book > > Programming with GNU Software > Mike Loukides and Andy Oram > O'reilly > ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 > > (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) > > It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the > CVS system. > > Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as > an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple > one > for you) > > HTH > > Thanks > > D > > --- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi again. > > I come from a M$ windoze programming background (although I did do > a > > bit of > > Oracle on Unix for a while) but I'm dying to get into programming > on > > Linux > > in C/C++. > > I have everything I need compiler wise, All the C Libraries etc > > but... > > Unfortunately Windoze programming gets you into some bad (lazy) > > habits with > > nice IDEs, taking care of your include directories, compiler > > switches > > etc). > > Thus moving to a command line compiler is a bit of a headache, > > generating > > makefiles is something I know nothing about - despite reading the > > man/info > > pages on make/automake/autoconf etc I'm still completely in the > dark. > > Does anyone have any good info on this, I don't even mind beginners > > stuff, > > just something to get me moving (I've made a start on the How-Tos). > > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE > > out > > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least > some > > of the > > nitty gritty? > > Or a little wizard to help create makefiles from a source tree or > > something. > > Anything. > > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but > couldn't > > see > > anything, I haven't got much time (at work you see) and would > rather > > not > > re-trawl the same ground someone else has already covered. > > Or if you have any pointers, advice - eg. good practice when > setting > > up > > source trees in Linux etc, how easy is this 'macro language' which > > you use > > to create the files which become makefiles? > > I Hope this isn't too noddy a posting. > > Cheers > > Earl > > BTW will be at Syleham on Sunday (wife has granted leave) so see > yer > > there. > > > > "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy > to > > be > > broken." > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Mail app
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

All, My web mail account is overits sizelimit. I need a small program for linux which will download the entire contents of a pop3 mail account to a ASCII text file, the program needs to be very simple to configure. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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