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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I Can only recommend the book Programming with GNU Software Mike Loukides and Andy Oram O'reilly ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the CVS system. Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple one for you) HTH Thanks D --- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > Hi again. > I come from a M$ windoze programming background (although I did do a > bit of > Oracle on Unix for a while) but I'm dying to get into programming on > Linux > in C/C++. > I have everything I need compiler wise, All the C Libraries etc > but... > Unfortunately Windoze programming gets you into some bad (lazy) > habits with > nice IDEs, taking care of your include directories, compiler > switches > etc). > Thus moving to a command line compiler is a bit of a headache, > generating > makefiles is something I know nothing about - despite reading the > man/info > pages on make/automake/autoconf etc I'm still completely in the dark. > Does anyone have any good info on this, I don't even mind beginners > stuff, > just something to get me moving (I've made a start on the How-Tos). > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE > out > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least some > of the > nitty gritty? > Or a little wizard to help create makefiles from a source tree or > something. > Anything. > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but couldn't > see > anything, I haven't got much time (at work you see) and would rather > not > re-trawl the same ground someone else has already covered. > Or if you have any pointers, advice - eg. good practice when setting > up > source trees in Linux etc, how easy is this 'macro language' which > you use > to create the files which become makefiles? > I Hope this isn't too noddy a posting. > Cheers > Earl > BTW will be at Syleham on Sunday (wife has granted leave) so see yer > there. > > "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy to > be > broken." __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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ANyone need a lift - Sunday
by Earl Brannigan 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi again, JIC anyone needs it - I'll be driving from Gazeley Nr Newmarket on Sunday - I'll gladly pick anyone up on-route (or even reasonably off-route) Lemme know. You can email me direct Regs Earl "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy to be broken." - Warren Buffet Earl Brannigan Linden House Software LTD Linden House Gazeley Newmarket Suffolk CB8 8RD Tel : 01638 750780 Mobile : 07940 280492 Email : earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk

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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I'm by no means an expert on this, but here are a couple of pointers from things I've heard of. I hope others can offer more. Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> writes: > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE out > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least some of the > nitty gritty? For X, http://sources.redhat.com/sourcenav/ For console, http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~sho/rho/rhide-1.4/rhide-linux.html Or you could just learn (X)Emacs... > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but couldn't see You almost certainly don't want those just yet. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > I am considering just going straight for the 2.4 kernel, maybe that would be > a bit less painful? Depends if you need things from 2.4 or if you need things to work (I hear IR is broken in 2.4 -- fixed yet?) wbh: > > So, recompile that kernel image with less in/more as modules/ using "make > > bzImage" to get better compression. I think this is the key advice. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > BUT, on reboot I got a Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs oon 08:07 > :o((( Are you sure you've got all the essential booting parts compiled in (eg ext2 filesystem support) rather than as a module? It can't load modules until the fs is up. Anyway, if it's still broken at the weekend, bring it along... -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] hello
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Greetings, Jo, I was looking forward to Sunday (I was going to bring my laptop and hope that some genius could casually type in a few commands here and there and get the pc card and networking going that I gave up on weeks ago) (I also had this idea that we would be eating a lot of biscuits and drinking a lot of coffee which is always a pleasant thought) but I can't make that date. Enjoy. Jenny. Whereabouts S of Camb are you from?

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ALUG-IRC 29 Jan
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Sorry, I was a bit slow starting the log this week. If anyone wants to fill in the early bit, please do. Not *that* much to report... <slef> Topics discussed included cvs, solaris and goose grease Hooray for wiggis making his first meeting... so who else is going to make this Sunday's meeting? IRC log started Mon Jan 29 20:12:36 2001 <miniman> BigJohn: have a look at http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/1998-Jan/0059.html <BigJohn> ok <ashley> slef: Yes * louisd (louisd(a)host62-7-80-62.btinternet.com) has joined #alug <BigJohn> miniman:oic <slef> ashley: let me just set you up an account... can you msg me a crypt'd password (perl -e 'print crypt("password","2chars")."\n"') <louisd> Hi, any sign of rdc yet? <slef> louisd: not yet, I think <miniman> BigJohn: there may be a replacement <BigJohn> miniman: updated mini how-to at the ldp site <miniman> ah <louisd> Hi slef, I got the Solaris install in the post last week. I have yet to summon up the courage to install it. <BigJohn> haven't read it yet though * wiggis (mark(a)m503-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com) has joined #alug <wiggis> Hi <slef> louisd: I'm now running our Solaris boxes... if you find any good resources, please let me know ;) <BigJohn> miniman: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+WinNT.html <slef> wiggis: hello <slef> ashley: you still alive? <BigJohn> evening wiggis and louisd <wiggis> So what's happening out in the Fens then? * ashley has signed off (Ping timeout for ashley[userkb57.uk.uudial.com]) <slef> louisd: and it would seem "killall" on the alphas is as destructive as on Solaris... I nearly did that to them today without thinking. <louisd> slef: One of our systems chaps tried to install it but it grumbled about his AGP video card. <slef> wiggis: wouldn't know... only got home an hour ago. <slef> wiggis: and it's too damn foggy to see outside <louisd> Hi BigJohn <wiggis> I'm in Peterborough <wiggis> Really nasty night here 2 <slef> louisd: oh yeah... solaris x86's hardware support is poorer than BSD's is poorer than Linux's <BigJohn> so who is coming on Sunday then? <slef> BigJohn: I will be <wiggis> Can't make it - just toooo busy <slef> I *think* I'm going via Norwich to pick up 2 or 3 others, but that's a damn irritation <slef> wiggis: do PLUG do anything still? <BigJohn> slef: I took that as read <louisd> slef: looks like I'll have to get an old PCI card to stick in while I muck about with it. <BigJohn> wiggis: shame <wiggis> So what's this about Solaris? Is is really *that* crap on x86? * ashley (ash(a)userhq05.uk.uudial.com) has joined #alug <ashley> back again - bloody dialup! <slef> wiggis: yes. It's crap on Suns too. <miniman> i'll be comming along sunday too <louisd> Heh! <wiggis> Was thinking about getting a copy (77 quid) <slef> ashley: needless to say, I didn't get your msg. <wiggis> Am running loads of RedHat 6.2 servers at the mo. <ashley> slef: can you repeat the command to create an encrypted password <wiggis> Apart from the odd glitch - they're very well behaved <louisd> wiggis: I got my install for �57 <wiggis> :-O <slef> perl -e 'print crypt("password","2chars")."\n"' I think... use 2 random chars where it says <louisd> wiggis: Mind you, I got stung on the carriage. <slef> wiggis: care to tell me where so I can send them Ramen? ;-) <slef> Seriously, did anyone see that thing? <ashley> slef: Password is - ef0Rp65zbmLlM <wiggis> I think I'll leave Solaris 4 the mo.. <g> <wiggis> 2 much 2 do <slef> ashley: don't paste it in channel... <BigJohn> slef: I'm sending you my crypted pass now so I can do the write up on the meeting (if I get time) <slef> BigJohn: ok <wiggis> Got to go... Have to cook dinner - I actually remembered the chat for once <-List Lurker <slef> wiggis: good to see you... I need to cook too <wiggis> <- May delurk sometime soon <g> <wiggis> Bye folks! * wiggis has signed off (Read error to wiggis[m503-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com]: Connection reset by peer) <slef> coo, abrupt disconnect <miniman> so it's 1400hrs sunday <miniman> the meeting that is <slef> yeah... you've been there before, haven't you? <louisd> How often are the meetings? <slef> louisd: we aim for monthly, but don't manage it <louisd> I'd like to come along to one as soon as I've moved up there. <slef> louisd: when are you moving? <BigJohn> louisd: where are you now then? <louisd> mid-end of April. Perhaps sooner if I find a job. <louisd> I'm in Guernsey. <BigJohn> bit too much of a swim to come to alug meets at the mo then <louisd> Even with a good covering of goose grease <BigJohn> hehe * jmkg (jg(a)jmkg.net) has joined #alug <slef> ohhhh, this is going to look good in the write-up! <slef> Topics discussed included cvs, solaris and goose grease <BigJohn> jkmg: now how did I know you were on your way over here:) <slef> lo jg <jmkg> heh * jmkg thanks BigJohn for the subtle poke [#alug] * slef reckons ashley has died again * miniman doesn't want to know about jmkg personal life ;-) [#alug] <ashley> I'm still here <jmkg> miniman: probably wise * BigJohn nothing subtle about my poking! :-) [#alug] <miniman> heh <slef> BigJohn: now why do you think we wanted to know that either? <BigJohn> hohoho... <slef> from inside the meetings dir do: cvs add -m 'Adding next meeting' filename.xml <slef> ww <BigJohn> jmkg: you coming on Sunday? <jmkg> hrm <jmkg> I guess that means I have to read my mail then <BigJohn> ALUG meeting at Syleham 2:00pm <slef> BigJohn: I'll drop you the access instructions later (as soon as I've written them), OK? <slef> jmkg: you could just read comp.os.linux.announce ;-) <jmkg> hmm, any transport from Norwich available? <slef> right, I need to go cook things... look forward to seeing you at Syleham and you'll hear from me later ;-) <BigJohn> slef: cheers I'll see what I can do then <slef> jmkg: possibly... depends how many others are going... five people, one car :/ <jmkg> heh <slef> jmkg: jg(a)linuxnewbie.com? <jmkg> I'll climb on the roofrack <jmkg> can do, or jg(a)jmkg.net <BigJohn> no make brett sit on the roof <jmkg> latter easier to type <jmkg> hrem <BigJohn> hehe <jmkg> anyone know anything about digital tv? Is it possible to hack something to make a normal tv tuner card pick it up and maybe even decode it> <slef> jmkg: but harder to remember <slef> right, see you all later <jmkg> bbiaf -- MJR

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hello
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi, I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks and thought it might be time to introduce myself... Been using Linux for a few years, currently living just south of Cambridge with my boyfriend who has been a Linux junkie since way back... Anyway, we're thinking of coming along this weekend if no-one has any wild objections? Maybe see you there! Regards, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Reminder: ALUG-IRC at 8...
by MJ Ray 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

As ever, ALUG-IRC will be on eu.openprojects.net 8001 #alug at 2000 UK time today (ie 40 minutes). Full instructions on how to connect are still not written, so try irc.themes.org, irchelp.org or the poor paragraph on the ALUG site. Sorry about the lateness of this reminder -- anyone want to cron one? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by Simon Parkes 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Ok Bill, thanks for that, but.... I'm getting the memory error message when running lilo -v, so can I assume that it checks to see how much memory is/will be used by the new kernel.. Also I installed via and RPM if that makes any difference.. I am considering just going straight for the 2.4 kernel, maybe that would be a bit less painful? Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: wbh <W.B.Hill(a)uea.ac.uk> To: Simon Parkes <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems... > OK, my guesses. When an x86 PC boots, the BIOS doesn't leave it in > protected mode (in order for DOS to work, don'tcha love it!) So only the > first Meg of memory is available. The linux kernel's gotta fit into this, > before it can switch from real mode. So, the kernel image is too big. > > >Added linux > Boot image: /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 > > Kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 is too big <----- what have I done wrong > > > > ##### Here's my lilo.conf ###### > > <SNIP> > > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 > > This is a compressed image, so seems to have worked. > > > label=linux > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.14-5.0.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/sda7 > > > > image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 > > This isn't, and is apparently too big. > > > label=linux16 > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-3.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/sda7 > > So, recompile that kernel image with less in/more as modules/ using "make > bzImage" to get better compression. > > TTFN, > Bill > >

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