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LOCAL: ALUG/GNU/Linux meetings 18 & 23 Nov, 11 Dec
by MJ Ray 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

ALUG meets frequently around East Anglia to discuss and demonstrate GNU/Linux and other free software. The next meetings are: * [7]King's Lynn on Tue 18 Nov 2003 * [8]Syleham, mid-Suffolk on Sun 23 Nov * [9]Norwich on Thu 11 Dec * IRC each Monday from 8pm in irc.alug.org.uk #alug * Ely, date tbc If you are interested in coming along, look at the pages mentioned for details and send an email to our discussion list or the meeting organiser. We are also interested in hearing from people who can help make meetings happen again in the Ipswich and North Norfolk areas. Join the mailing list and start organising, or drop us an email privately if you'd rather. Discussion If you want to talk about this, please [13]use the mailing list. * Destinations 1. [15]Join ALUG 2. [16]FAQ 3. [17]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [18]Peterborough 2. [19]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [20]PHP4Hosting 2. [21]Black Cat Networks 3. [22]Martyn Drake 4. [23]Turo Technology LLP 5. [24]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [25]UK LUGs References 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting16.5.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting17.html 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting18.html 13. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 15. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 16. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 17. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 18. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 19. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 20. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 21. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 22. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 23. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 24. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 25. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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[Fsfe-uk] FFII-UK update (software patents) (fwd)
by MJ Ray 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-11-15 16:51:56 +0000 From: James Heald <j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> Subject: [Fsfe-uk] FFII-UK update (software patents) New things on the FFII-UK website: Summary of the latest situation: http://www.ffii.org.uk/latest.html Extracts from the US Government FTC report, which is *devastating* about software patents. http://www.ffii.org.uk/ftc/ftc.html Much expanded commentary on important things in the Parliament amendments which the Commission want to chuck out again: http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html Side-by-side comparisons of the Parliament text and the Council draft text: http://www.ffii.org.uk/recitals.html http://www.ffii.org.uk/articles.html Reminder: The Coreper decision on how to proceed with the Directive is expected any day now. We really need to get the message over to MPs this weekend, if we are to stop a stitch-up on November 27. If you have already written to your MP, please write/fax again, thanking them for their previous prompt reply, and updating them about the situation. You may also like to tell them about the FTC report and send them some of the extracts. If you have not already written to your MP, we really need your help *this weekend*. See: http://www.ffii.org.uk/latest.html http://www.ffii.org.uk/council.html for the latest situation, and general advice on how to be most effective respectively. As usual, please copy letters sent to uk-parl-sent @ ffii.org.uk and MP replies to uk-parl-replies @ ffii.org.uk It's really helpful if you could put the MP name and consituency in the subject line, eg "Second letter to Sue Doughty MP (Guildford)". With the first wave of letters, we stopped the Council of Ministers meeting on November 10 from adopting their November 2002 draft unamended. But unless we can stop it with another, even bigger wave of letters, the Commission and the EU Presidency are pushing for the Ministers to adopt a rushed hack of a text at their next Competitiveness Council meeting on November 23. Every letter counts. Yours could be the one that tips the scales. All best, James Heald, FFII-UK. [Feel free to forward all or any part of this email to anywhere it could do some good. These four are the only groups it's been sent to, so it's up to you to propagate it from here]. _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list Fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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LOCAL: GNU/Linux/ALUG/Norwich Thu 13 Nov
by MJ Ray 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.16: Norwich: The Forum bar Thursday 13 November 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. Use [4]the meeting transport page if you want to share your journey. People at the meeting If you will be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). As always, we strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [5]use the mailing list. [6]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [7]Join ALUG 2. [8]FAQ 3. [9]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [10]Peterborough 2. [11]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [12]PHP4Hosting 2. [13]Black Cat Networks 3. [14]Martyn Drake 4. [15]Turo Technology LLP 5. [16]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [17]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?MeetingTransport 5. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 10. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 12. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 13. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 14. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 15. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 16. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 17. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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Web site updates
by MJ Ray 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Some changes have been made to the ALUG web site. Most importantly, http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ now contains Norwich meeting details until January 2004, thanks to Syd. I have also gone back through the list archives and added links to missing meeting announcements or reports. If you can find one I've missed, please email me. If you'd like to add a page to the web site, please email me about that too. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Mini Cambridge-Meet next weekend
by Daniel Silverstone 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

Hi, Debian-UK often have mini debian-meets in the Cambridgeshire area. The meets tend to be informal geekery centered around pubs and bookshops (and sometimes coffee). There is a plan to have a mini-meet in Cambridge on Saturday the 8th. The plan (as ever) is to meet at 12:00 in the Regal (wetherspoon pub under the arts cinema) and then dither for several hours. If you're interested in Debian, or just fancy a chat with a bunch of geeks (although conversation does tend to be centered around Debian) then feel free to come along and introduce yourselves. See you there. D. -- Daniel Silverstone <dsilvers(a)digital-scurf.org> Digital-Scurf

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LOCAL: GNU/Linux/ALUG/Ely Wed 29 Oct
by MJ Ray 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.15: Ely: Fountain 29 October 2003 Plan for the meeting We'll meet at [3]the Fountain at 1900. Someone will put a penguin on the table, ALUGgers will gather round and chat. Because we're in a pub, please only bring portable equipment like laptops and handhelds. People at the meeting So far, Adam, Kirsty, Rob and Daniel look fairly certain to be there. If you will be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Use [4]the meeting transport page if you can share your journey. Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [5]use the mailing list. [6]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [7]Join ALUG 2. [8]FAQ 3. [9]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [10]Peterborough 2. [11]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [12]PHP4Hosting 2. [13]Black Cat Networks 3. [14]Martyn Drake 4. [15]Turo Technology LLP 5. [16]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [17]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.britishpubguide.com/cgi-bin/pub.cgi?results:Cambridgeshire:1147 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?MeetingTransport 5. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 10. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 12. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 13. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 14. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 15. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 16. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 17. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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RE: Stallman Visit
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

On 24-Oct-03 announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:39:19 +0100 > From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> > To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Organization: Very poor > Subject: [Alug Announce]RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. (fwd) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 2003-10-22 12:00:15 +0100 > From: Nick Hill <nick(a)nickhill.co.uk> > Subject: RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. > > I have just had news that RMS is suffering a broken arm in a Finnish > hospital. His trip to the UK is in the balance. > > In order to keep people up to date about the current status of RMS' > trip to the UK and whether the speeches will go ahead/ in what form, I > have put up a web page: > > http://www.nickhill.co.uk/rms-speech-status.html According to messages on the Sheflug and linux-users lists, RMS will in fact be travelling to the UK after all (due to speak in Sheffield on Saturday). Ted. =================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:43:11 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Ibbotson <richard(a)sheflug.co.uk> To: David Johnson <dj(a)david-web.co.uk> Subject: [linux-users] Re: RMS Speech in balance Cc: linux-users(a)lists.man.ac.uk, man-lug(a)lists.man.ac.uk Hi Just got some mail from RMS. He says he will be here in Sheffield as was originally planned for Saturday afternoon. So, I'll look forward to meeting anyone from the other side of the hill who hopes to come along :) Thanks Richard www.sheflug.org http://lists.man.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 24-Oct-03 Time: 16:55:48 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. (fwd)
by MJ Ray 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-10-22 12:00:15 +0100 From: Nick Hill <nick(a)nickhill.co.uk> Subject: RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. I have just had news that RMS is suffering a broken arm in a Finnish hospital. His trip to the UK is in the balance. In order to keep people up to date about the current status of RMS' trip to the UK and whether the speeches will go ahead/ in what form, I have put up a web page: http://www.nickhill.co.uk/rms-speech-status.html Please forward this to everyone involved or who might be attending a speech. I wish Richard Stallman a speedy recovery and hope to see him this weekend.

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EU patent officials meeting this week. Letters needed *now*. (fwd)
by MJ Ray 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-10-21 18:54:35 +0100 From: James Heald <j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> Subject: [Fsfe-uk] Fwd: [SWPAT] EU patent officials meeting this week. Letters needed *now*. Below is (very slightly revised) an email alert sent out to FFII supporters. Faxes sent to MPs today/tonight could be particularly important (especially if the local MP is a Lib Dem). Use www.faxyourmp.com Please forward this alert at will to any mailing lists where it has not already been posted. --------------------------------------------------------------------- [SWPAT] EU patent officials meeting this week. Letters needed *now*. A web version can be found at http://www.ffii.org.uk/council.html Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure UK Dear Supporter[1], In September the European Parliament voted[2] for strong restrictions[3] on software patentability, after having heard powerful arguments from economists[4], scientists[5], small business associations[6] and MEPs[7] that software patents would be bad for e-commerce[8], bad for small businesses[9], and bad for innovation[10]. But this vote is in danger of being set aside[11] at a meeting of the EU's Competitiveness Council of Ministers[12] on 10 November. The ministers' meeting is to be "negotiated" at a meeting of senior patent officials[13] from across Europe even sooner: this Thursday 23 October. If UK ministers cannot be convinced otherwise before 10 November, it is believed they will push for the Council to adopt a November 2002 draft text[14], which is even worse than the infamous McCarthy report[15]. The European Parliament's rules for second reading make it very difficult for MEPs to fix a bad text from the Council. So far UK ministers have been sleepwalking, automatically following a Patent Office script. The FFII is therefore calling for all supporters to contact their local MPs, as soon as possible. We have until 10 November at the latest to wake up UK ministers up the dangers of software patents. If at all possible we need to try to make an impact before this Thursday. It could be our last good chance to stop software patents in Europe. Every letter could be the one which tips the balance. Every letter counts. Best regards, Software Patents Workgroup, FFII-UK Supporters elsewhere in Europe may like to look at this page at FFII[16] for information on who to contact, and what else can be done. Know your stuff: * How important is the Council of Ministers? * What is the UK position? * Are software patents good for software developers? * What does the minister need to know? * Who to contact * How to be effective * How to stay in touch How important is the Council of Ministers? VERY. The European Parliament's rules for second reading make it far more difficult for MEPs to fix a bad text from the Council, because any amendments need an absolute majority[17] of all of the 623 elected MEPs -- ie usually far more than 50% of those actually voting in the chamber. What is the UK position? UK policy has so far been led by the UK Patent Office[18]. The UKPO has been particularly active in lobbying[19] for unlimited patentability and is unlikely to support a platform which is acceptable to anyone except the patent industry. Unless they can be convinced otherwise, UK Government ministers are being led by UKPO officials to support the November 2002 draft[20] drawn up by patent offices across Europe. The Nov 2002 version actively supports software patenting, unlike the September 2003 European Parliament text[21]. Replies from ministers[22] are claiming that the UK Patent Office's consultation[23] 3 years ago produced results which were "broadly in favour" of the UKPO position. In fact, the views[24] of software professionals (as opposed to patent professionals) were overwhelmingly against software patents. Are software patents good for software developers? NO. "Software patents are like landmines for programmers. At each design decision, there is a chance you will step on a patent and it will destroy your project. Considering the large number of ideas that must be combined in a modern program, the danger becomes very large." -- Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU project. Supporters of e-patents often make the simple equation patents ==innovation == growth. One of the most interesting articles to rebut this is "e-Patents and financial investing"[25] by Laura Creighton, a software venture capitalist. It explains why software patents are not necessary, nor usually even helpful, and give surprisingly little real protection. Software patents are bad for e-commerce[26], bad for small businesses[27] and bad for innovation[28]. That is why leading economists[29], scientists[30], small business associations[31], and MEPs[32] all urged the European Parliament to vote against software patents. What does the minister needs to know? * Our central request is for the the Council of Ministers not to adopt its draft November 2002 text[33] unamended, but instead to substantially revise it, adopting and building on the Parliament amendments. * Most importantly, we need to convince the Government that software patents are a bad idea. Ministers should not just follow the advice of the UK Patent Office (UKPO) uncritically. Currently UKPO are both judge and jury, and about as likely to campaign for real limits on software patents as turkeys are to vote for Christmas. Ministers must be challenged to consider for themselves what is really in the best interests of the UK software industry and all UK computer users. * Free software is directly threatened[34] by software patents. But it is essential that the campaign against software patents is not just "special pleading" by supporters of Open Source--"free-love, open-standard, freeware fanatics" according to one patent lawyer. The entire industry would be damaged by patenting and litigation. If you write about free software, please make clear how important it is to the whole software industry and commercial end-users. * The directive claims to allow the patenting of new "technical" devices, but not the patenting of "generic pure software". But the EPO regards almost any software innovation as technical[35]. Without an explicit definition, European Courts will be forced to follow the EPO doctrine. The European Parliament's most important amendment is its new very clear definition of what is and what is not "technical". * The November 2002 draft also makes abstract data processing a field of technology[36]; has no article 6a to allow interoperability[37] -- and it would allow program claims[38], so that just discussing code on a website can be a direct patent infringement. Ministers must re-open the November 2002 text. Every letter counts. Who to contact * WRITE to your local MP as soon as possible with your concerns about software patents, and ask your MP to bring them to the attention of Stephen Timms MP[39], the minister for e-commerce at the DTI. * BY ASKING your local MP to forward your concerns, you should get a reply personally signed by the minister. You could of course just write to the minister directly; but if you do, you will just receive a standard civil service reply, and the minister will never see it. * FIND your local MPs by typing your postcode in www.faxyourmp.com Then WRITE to your MP at: Name of MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA * COPY your letters to uk-parl-sent @ ffii.org.uk, and replies to uk-parl-replies @ ffii.org.uk You should only write to your own local MP. You may also wish to send a blind copy of your letter to [40]Richard Mulcahy at the Patent Office. How to be effective * DO: make your letter personal. Explain who you are, how this issue affects you, and why it matters to you. * DON'T: write the same as everybody else. MPs ignore form letters. Decide which is the most logical or important starting point for you, and then bring in other points around that. * IF you are: + a small business: tell your MP why and how a rush to software patents would afftect your business. Be sure to mention your turnover and number of employees -- real money and real jobs are at stake. + a user of software: tell your MP what makes you afraid of monopolisation and loss of choice. + a member of a political party, a trade union, a university, a consumer organisation, a business association, or any other sort of organised body: think how you can mobilise your organisation to make its voice heard. + a consultant: explain to your clients - and the MP - why software patents will make it harder for you to solve their problems. * DO: be polite, reasonable and well-informed (insane abuse doesn't help). Be focussed and to the point. If your letter is very long, write a short one-page executive summary bulletting the main points, and use it as a covering letter to introduce the full brain dump. * DO: spread the word. There is very little time, and we need to make a huge impact. So unless you want to see legislation for unlimited patentability, pass the message on to other people. Encourage them to write. How to stay in touch * Join the FFII list of supporters[41] * Sign the Eurolinux petition[42] against software patents. * If you want to do more, or to keep in touch with the campaign daily, join the ffii-uk email list at ffii.org.uk - further instructions on the FFII-UK main page[43]. _________________________________________________________________ References 1. You have been sent this email because you have expressed concern about software patents in Europe, either by signing the Eurolinux Petition http://noepatents.org and/or the FFII Call for Action http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/demands/ We intend to use these lists very occasionally, to send updates and information alerts on the progress of the software patent directive through the European system. Such messages will have [SWPAT] as the first word in their subject lines. If you would prefer not to receive any more such messages, please send a reply to this email with the subject line "Remove". Thank you for your support. 2. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39116642,00.htm 3. http://swpat.ffii.org/journal/03/fsfr1010/index.en.html 4. http://www.researchineurope.org/policy/patentdirltr.htm 5. http://www.greens-efa.org/pdf/documents/SoftwarePatenting/petitiontoEP_EN.p… 6. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/ceapme0309/index.en.html 7. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/plen0309/deba/#framm 8. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#ecommerce 9. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#developers 10. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#innovation 11. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39116709,00.htm 12. http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/CouncilOfMinisters 13. http://register.consilium.eu.int/scripts/utfregisterDir/WebDriver.exe?MIval… 14. http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html 15. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/amccarthy0302/index.en.html 16. http://swpat.ffii.org/group/todo/index.en.html 17. http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+RULES-EP+2003020… 18. http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/ippd/issues/softpat.htm 19. http://swpat.ffii.org//players/uk/index.en.html 20. http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html 21. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/europarl0309/ 22. http://www.ffii.org.uk/hewitt.html 23. http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/consultations/conclusions.htm 24. http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/consultations/responses/comsoft/index.htm 25. http://www.vrijschrift.org/swpat/030508_1/ 26. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#ecommerce 27. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#developers 28. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#innovation 29. http://www.researchineurope.org/policy/patentdirltr.htm 30. http://www.greens-efa.org/pdf/documents/SoftwarePatenting/petitiontoEP_EN.p… 31. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/ceapme0309/index.en.html 32. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/plen0309/deba/#framm 33. http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html 34. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/stallman-patents.html 35. http://www.ffii.org.uk/technical.html 36. http://www.ffii.org.uk/fields_of_tech.html 37. http://www.ffii.org.uk/interop.html 38. http://www.ffii.org.uk/program_claims.html 39. http://www.dti.gov.uk/ministers/ministers/timms.html 40. http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/ippd/issues/softpat.htm 41. http://aktiv.ffii.org/?l=en 42. http://petition.eurolinux.org/index_html?LANG=en 43. http://www.ffii.org.uk/index.html _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list Fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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RMS talks; London + Sheffield; [this weekend!] (fwd)
by MJ Ray 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Original text by Paul Sladen <lugmaster(a)paul.sladen.org>, but edited. 2003 October 25th (Saturday) 12:00 noon. Richard Stallman will give a lecture about Software Patents in the Stoddart Building at Sheffield Hallam University. http://www.sheflug.co.uk/meeting.html 2003 October 26th (Sunday) 14:30 pm. Richard Stallman will be speaking about the dangers of Software Patents at the University of Westminster, London. Meeting held by AFFS and FFII-UK. http://www.affs.org.uk/diary -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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