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LOCAL: GNU/Linux/Suffolk/Film showing, 17 August 2003
by MJ Ray 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.10 : Elmswell, Suffolk Sunday 17 August 2003 Plan for the meeting This meeting is for a screening of the film [3]Revolution OS. Doors will open about 2pm and the film will start about half an hour later. Please keep checking this page for updates. How to get there For directions, please see [4]the venue information page. Use [5]the meeting transport page if you want to share your journey. People at the meeting So far, Adam, Kirsty, Big John, MJR and Rob are known to be there. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please email [6]Adam, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [7]use the mailing list. [8]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [9]Join ALUG 2. [10]FAQ 3. [11]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [12]Peterborough 2. [13]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [14]PHP4Hosting 2. [15]Black Cat Networks 3. [16]Martyn Drake 4. [17]Turo Technology LLP 5. [18]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [19]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.revolution-os.com/ 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/elmswell.html 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?MeetingTransport 6. mailto:abower@thebowery.co.uk 7. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 10. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 11. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 12. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 13. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 14. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 15. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 16. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 17. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 18. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 19. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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LOCAL: GNU/Linux/Norwich Thu 14 Aug
by MJ Ray 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.9: Norwich: The Forum bar 14 August 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting If you will be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP 5. [15]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [16]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 16. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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LOCAL: ALUG, Norwich, Sunday 20 June
by MJ Ray 14 Jul '03

14 Jul '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.8 : Norwich: The Royal British Legion Hall, Aylsham Road, Norwich 20th July 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 2pm onwards for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. The room is immediately to your left as you enter the bar and is known as 'the TV room'. If you are bringing any equipment that requires mains power bring an extension lead as there seem to be very few electrical sockets. How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: Syd Norwich area co-ordinator. Morphix CDs. Name badges and signs. MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/nrbl.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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Fwd: [arch-users] GNU, doc foo, short-term plans, hacking suggestions, money
by mjr＠cloaked.freeserve.co.uk 14 Jul '03

14 Jul '03

Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Lord <lord(a)emf.net> Subject: [arch-users] GNU, doc foo, short-term plans, hacking suggestions, money arch has officially been dubbed "GNU arch". That means, among other things, that it will gain a proper web page at gnu.org (which I'll have to maintain), will be distributed from ftp.gnu.org, and can count on a tiny bit of friendly inter-project mediation with other GNU projects by the FSF. This is a good thing, IMO, but it does mean I have some work to do getting the gnu.org infrastructure for arch up to snuff. There's an option here to set up some gnu-mediated mailing lists (and a requirement to direct bug-arch somewhere, as well). In other news, James Blackwell has offered, and I've accepted the offer, that he will take over maintenance of the tutorial. It will take a few days to fully transfer control over those sources to him. Thank you James! Contributions to the tutorial have been increasingly noticeably. As an _experiment_, I'm thinking of taking a (mostly, not entirely) hands-off approach to its future evolution. Debian aside, when there start to be several, substantial, independent contributors to documentation, as opposed to just one central copyright owner -- there the oft rehearsed "problems" with the GFDL can actually turn from "problems" to problems. (At least that's _my_ twisted view of the matter.) Therefore, as part of the process of transferring the docs to jblack, while I'm still the sole copyright holder, I'll be changing the license to something less problematic -- less controversial. (Asuffield, heads up: Undoubtedly as a side effect, the docs will become Debian friendly. Y'all are still wrong, though. :-) My short term plans: *) Crunch through the patch queue. *) Establish branches for the "big three" new features I'm ideally supposed to be working on. (I'll be using these branches as a vehical to experiment by-hand with what auto-patch-factoring features might do). *) Set-up infrastructure for GNU arch releases. *) Make the next round of releases. *) Hopefully, then, return to work on the "big three" new features (=tagging-method generalizations, inode-signature optimization, partial commits). My sense of priorities has shifted slightly, lately. Roughly, in terms of (extra-economic) demand: =tagging-method / partial commits / inode-signature. Hacking suggestions: Relative to history, anyway, patches are pouring in for things like: simple bug fixes, CLI improvements, help message improvements. These are all great, thanks, and more are welcome. A big open area, easy to do, hence not among my priorities: expand the set of callouts-to-hooks and start to build a library of ready-made hook implementations. I've given some suggestions (e.g., magic-mirrors, magic-revlibs). Maybe these suggestions aren't interesting enough to be "itchy" to people -- but some of the arch-users discussion traffic suggests otherwise. Money: There's a couple of promising developments _on_the_horizon_. Nothing that will make me rich or anything -- but enough to keep me eating and pay utilities, mostly, with some regularity. But it's _on_the_horizon_ -- not real yet. And while I'm good for the next 5 business days --- that's about it. So, as usual, "when the hat comes round! :-)" (and, more interestingly, if you are at a business -- have you considered the commercial offers mentioned at (http:) arch.quackerhead.com/~lord and regexps.srparish.net/www?) Regards. Thanks, all, for all the recent patches. Doing my best to catch up. Yadda Yadda Yadda.... -t https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=lord%40emf.net&item_name=support+for… and lord(a)emf.net for www.moneybookers.com payments.

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LOCAL: ALUG Meeting: 19 June 2003, Norwich
by MJ Ray 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.7 : Norwich: The Royal British Legion Hall, Aylsham Road, Norwich 19 June 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. The room is immediately to your left as you enter the bar and is known as 'the TV room'. If you are bringing any equipment that requires mains power bring an extension lead as there seem to be very few electrical sockets. People at the meeting So far, Syd, Paul and MJR are confirmed, while various others are suspected. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [3]use the mailing list. [4]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [5]Join ALUG 2. [6]FAQ 3. [7]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [8]Peterborough 2. [9]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [10]PHP4Hosting 2. [11]Black Cat Networks 3. [12]Martyn Drake 4. [13]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [14]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 8. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 9. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 11. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 12. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 13. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 14. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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Fwd: [lugmaster] UK free software conference
by MJ Ray 01 May '03

01 May '03

Hope this is of interest to some here. From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [lugmaster] UK free software conference Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:58:29 -0000 Please forward to your groups. Thanks. Registrations are now being taken for the Association For Free Software's first annual conference, to be held at Aston University, Birmingham on Sat 17 May 2003. Doors open 1015, talks start 1100. The conference is free to current AFFS members and those who apply to join (fee 10 pounds) and will feature talks from members of various free software projects. More details are available at http://www.affs.org.uk/affsac.html but feel free to email me (MJR) questions. We are still interested in proposals for more talks, too: send a short summary and an estimate of the required time by email to frontdesk(a)affs.org.uk -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster(a)mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster

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LOCAL: Meeting: Norwich, 8pm Thu 1 May
by MJ Ray 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.5 : Norwich: The Forum bar 1 May 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Syd and Keith are confirmed, while Graham and MJR are suspected. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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LOCAL: ALUG at Elmswell, Suffolk, UK, 2pm, Sun 27 Apr 2003
by MJ Ray 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.4 : AT Vetinerary Systems, Elmswell, Suffolk Sunday 27 April 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: The meeting is scheduled for 2pm-6pm. There will be one or two short talks, the normal hacking of systems and discussions, with veterans on hand to ask for advice and help. The librarians will tell us the current state of the library and MJR will finally return his library book. How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Adam, Kirsty, MJR and Rob are definites. If you are planning to come, please say so on the mailing list. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: Adam I will bring a zaurus and maybe a laptop running gpsdrive. I may bring my sparc and try to make it work with debian. I was hoping to have my linux pvr working for this meet but not yet. I can burn and bring CDs, if you ask me for them now. MJR A short talk on a Free Software movement in the UK. A chording keyboard that works with Linux. Rob Keys and a Building? Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/elmswell.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugMeetings 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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Fwd: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month
by mjr＠cloaked.freeserve.co.uk 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

From: Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> Subject: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:40:28 +0100 Hi all, Just a confirmation that this meeting *is* going to happen. I will update the webpage when I get a chance. The venue is near Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk IIRC. The other meetings at Syleham (also Suffolk) are also still arranged for the same dates as before (Sun May 18th, Sun Aug 17th and Sun 23rd Nov.) Norwich dates are still to be confirmed, I will let everyone know more later. Adam

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Fwd: Re: [Alug]newbie desktop distros
by mjr＠cloaked.freeserve.co.uk 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

Subject: Re: [Alug]newbie desktop distros From: jmb(a)paston.co.uk (John Billings) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:46:15 +0100 Greetings, On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 06:59:23AM +0100, Syd Hancock wrote: > Has anyone used xandros, lindows or any similar distro? Yes - See below. > Very interested in any comments/experiences. > > I do realise all the disadvantages etc for the more knowledgable > user - so pardon the heresy :-) Heh. My mum and dad both now use free-er software than they did when using Microsoft based systems, and both are happy with the increased reliablility. Dad is reasonably eager to learn more about the unlying system - mum cares as little about the under lying system as she did when using windows. Either way i'd score it as a win for Free Software, or at least a scoredraw. I've installed/used Desktop/LX (www.lycoris.com) which is RedHat based, and also the Debian based Xandros (www.xandros.com). Desktop/LX - Downloaded a CD image and burnt it. - Installer: Pretty reasonable. Has auto detected everything on all but one machine i've installed it on - it screwed up on a fairly new and very poor embedded graphics card to the point where i went and got Xandros, of which more later. Partioning was easy enough. IIRC you could choose your user level, and the sorts of things you were likely to want, from which it chose to install various utils and environments. A nice touch is the game of solitare it gives you to play while you wait for the installer to finish. Better than looking at endlessly looping billboards anyway. Desktop: KDE based, with a different icon set - a fancy looking windows XP-alike one. The familiar (to existing users) cogwheel of the KDE 'start' menu is replaced by a flower, and there's a 'My Linux System' type icon on the desktop, which gives access to drives and other bits and pieces. The Kontrol Center has had a new interface added, to make it more XP-ish, grouping the settings panels into wider catagories. Quite friendly if you don't know exactly what you're looking for. By default I think you get 4 desktops, each of which can obviously have different proggies running on them. The default web browser is Mozilla, and the KOffice suite is also provided, IIRC. Updates: Via a graphical interface, but you need to pay to play it seems. I did, and it didn't - this may be because of my downloaded version of the software tho. Novice (linux) User Comments: Dad: "Comfortable looking - obvious where things are." Mum: "Looks like what i used to use." Housemate: "I managed to install it in 40 mins - woah" Windows: If you're interested in windows compatibility, it's not bad - you can easily mount samba shares, and talk to samba printers - you can also run some windows proggies with the supplied version of wine, but in order to get a couple of bits of my dad's software installed I had to download and install a new RPM with the latest version in. License: IIRC, it's entirely Free, but I could be wrong. Xandros - Bought from a UK supplier, who's name i've now forgotten. - Installer: Fantastic - Have yet to trip it up, even on my dodgy new Toys-R-Us laptop everything was detected. Looks slick, and on a blank system with an express install only asks 5 questions before installing the system. An expert install allows more control over partitioning and software to install. One note on partitioning is that the installer does not (yet) allow the resizing of windows partitions, which is contrary to what is said on the box and on the website. Either that or i'm missing something. Which is possible. No game of solitare here either. Desktop: Another KDE clone, this time with a 'Launch' button with the xandros 'X' symbol on it - fairly familiar layout of icons, including a 'My Computer' clone, and a 'network neighborhood' clone. The Xandros File Manager (XFM) is quite cool as graphical file managers go - windows users will be quite at home with it. One interface can be used to copy files between CDs, floppys, HDs, Samba and NFS shares and FTP sites. I also merrily recognised and displayed my Fuji Camera, which acts as a standard USB Mass storage device. You can also do such wonderful things as right clicking on folders in XFM and go to properties, in order to update permissions and share things as samba shares. Internet dialup was easy, once we gave up on an internal winmodem, alltho I have to say that the support we got in trying to get this to work was fantastic. There are 4 desktops set by default, each with a different colouration to let you know where you are easily. Mozilla is the default for web and mail. Koffice and abiword are supplied, and OpenOffice can be easily downloaded from the Xandros Archive, or from a standard Debian repositry. Updates: From xandros or debian apt archives, via a very usable graphical apt tool. Could do with a little bit of interface tweaking to make it a bit more intuitive, but it was worked out fairly quickly. Novice (linux) User Comments: Dad: "Fantastic - very professional looking - wouldn't be out of place in a corporate workplace" Mum: See above Housemate: "no solitare on this installer. that sucks" Windows: Xandros is available in it's more expensive form with Crossover Office, which pretty flawlessly runs a given set of normally windows based software. Once we'd installed a version of wine from deb unstable (which wasn't as hard as it sounds, using the graphical tool) we also managed to run a plethora of dad's accounting and office manager type software. License: This is the sticker - it's not all Free, specifically the Crossover Office and XFM bits. In terms of installation you're allowed to install it on any number of home PCs, and 1 business PC. Hope this helps. Cheers, John -- This space intentionally left blank

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