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Debian Install 4th Attempt
by John Seago 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

I retried this morning, gave it the name 'debian.org' when asked, used tasksel(?) to select Desktop, office and not much else that I can remember, used 'advanced' for the Xserver, and then as the dog had to go to the Vets and me to the Doctor later, Alison took me to the Post Office to collect my pension and when I came home there was a screen which I 'OK'd' and lo and behold everything works! What I didn't do was anything to do with my internet connection so the problems must be caused by my giving wrong answers to those. I know the number, user name, and password for my connection to my ISP so it must be the ISO code for UK/GB and the county number. Now I know its my fault I have another go at installing and write down the questions I can't answer or seem to be getting wrong and see if I can find the right answers, I will report my success of failure. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Introduction to ALUG
by R.F.Jarvis 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Hello, Since first registering on 6th June I have been reading the flow of e-mails in order to understand how ALUG operates. I am a bit confused over the two e-mail addresses function (main@... and main-admin@...) However, I am a self taught home computer owner that has never liked how Microsoft Windows works as an O.S or as a company. I knew of Linux for some time and several months ago obtained the system by accident being free with Linuxuser & developer (redhat 9 ) I successfully installed redhat 9 and have a dual boot system with Windows XP with no conflicts. It took some time to find a modum but succeeded after buying Red Hat Linux 9 for dummies and Red Hat Linux 9 Unleashed(a mighty tome). I don't know anyone who knows of linux and I have developed several problems that I cannot resolve, so need some information to enable me to rectify the problems. I have 5 grandchildren who use computers and wish to introduce them to linux O.S. Bob

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #185 - 12 msgs
by John Seago 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

I have answered all these posts in order as they appeared on todays digest. Thank you all those who have offered help advice and suggestions. I think the basic problem may very be with the operator rather that the Soft or Hardware, I will however persevere! > Also what does your /etc/hosts look like? Are you missing localhost by > any chance? No it looked like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost I then added the line: 127.0.0.1 thomashobbes.enlightenment.net > Some of those log in things want the root password in the password box > before Reboot and Shutdown will work. Not sure which is needed. They wanted the root password but it didn't work even having been given it. > Which installer are you using? and where did it come from? just > asking as Sarge isn't stable yet and is still in development, so it could > be you have a broken or buggy installer. Browsing disk 1 shows the installer as /install/2.6, I bought them from Steve McIntyre I don't think its the disks, its me as this seems to be exactly the same problem I had with Woody, I tried Sarge as I didn't want to go back a graphics card to get it to work with that version of X but I have now reached the point where I'll try one more re-installation and then try Woody with the previous graphics card. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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smbfs problems
by Charles Garcia-Tobin 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

Hi there I'm trying to mount smb partitions, but cannot seems to modprobe smfs into the kernel. I get the following: modprobe smbfs /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol kunmap_high /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol highmem_start_page /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol kmap_high /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: insmod /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: insmod smbfs failed This is my config CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_UID16=y CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KMOD=y CONFIG_MXP31=y CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y CONFIG_X86_XADD=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=6 CONFIG_X86_HAS_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_USE_3DNOW=y CONFIG_X86_PGE=y CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y CONFIG_X86_MCE=y CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y CONFIG_X86_PAE=y CONFIG_HIGHIO=y CONFIG_MTRR=y CONFIG_PREEMPT=y CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_HAVE_DEC_LOCK=y CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_PCI=y CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y CONFIG_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_CARDBUS=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_APM=m CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=m CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m CONFIG_MTD=m CONFIG_PARPORT=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_CML1=m CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER=y CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y CONFIG_PNP=y CONFIG_ISAPNP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=4096 CONFIG_BLK_STATS=y CONFIG_MD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=m CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=m CONFIG_MD_RAID0=m CONFIG_MD_RAID1=m CONFIG_MD_RAID5=m CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LVM=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m CONFIG_PACKET=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y CONFIG_NET_IPIP=m CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=m CONFIG_IPV6=m CONFIG_KHTTPD=m CONFIG_IPV6_SCTP__=m CONFIG_ATM=m CONFIG_ATM_CLIP=m CONFIG_ATM_LANE=m CONFIG_ATM_MPOA=m CONFIG_ATM_BR2684=m CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q=m CONFIG_IPSEC=m CONFIG_IPSEC_IPIP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AH=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AUTH_HMAC_MD5=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AUTH_HMAC_SHA1=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ESP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ENC_3DES=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_AES=m CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_TWOFISH=m CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_SERPENT=m CONFIG_IPSEC_IPCOMP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_DEBUG=y CONFIG_IPSEC_NAT_TRAVERSAL=y CONFIG_PHONE=m CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ=m CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_GENERIC=y CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_WIP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y CONFIG_SD_EXTRA_DEVS=40 CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG_QUEUES=y CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX=y CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_DEFAULT_TAGS=4 CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_MAX_TAGS=32 CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_SYNC=20 CONFIG_I2O=m CONFIG_I2O_PCI=m CONFIG_I2O_BLOCK=m CONFIG_I2O_LAN=m CONFIG_I2O_SCSI=m CONFIG_I2O_PROC=m CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y CONFIG_DUMMY=m CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y CONFIG_NET_PCI=y CONFIG_EEPRO100=y CONFIG_PPP=m CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC=m CONFIG_PPP_SYNC_TTY=m CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE=m CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP=m CONFIG_PPPOE=m CONFIG_SLIP=m CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_PCNET=y CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA_RADIO=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_RAYCS=y CONFIG_IRDA=m CONFIG_IRLAN=m CONFIG_IRNET=m CONFIG_IRCOMM=m CONFIG_IRDA_ULTRA=y CONFIG_IRTTY_SIR=m CONFIG_IRPORT_SIR=m CONFIG_USB_IRDA=m CONFIG_NSC_FIR=m CONFIG_WINBOND_FIR=m CONFIG_TOSHIBA_OLD=m CONFIG_TOSHIBA_FIR=m CONFIG_SMC_IRCC_FIR=m CONFIG_ALI_FIR=m CONFIG_VLSI_FIR=m CONFIG_VIA_IRCC_FIR=m CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_X=1024 CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_Y=768 CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 CONFIG_MOUSE=y CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y CONFIG_AGP_I810=y CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD=y CONFIG_AGP_SIS=y CONFIG_AGP_ALI=y CONFIG_DRM=y CONFIG_DRM_NEW=y CONFIG_DRM_TDFX=y CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y CONFIG_DRM_I810=y CONFIG_DRM_I810_XFREE_41=y CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m CONFIG_VIDEO_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=y CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=y CONFIG_REISERFS_PROC_INFO=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m CONFIG_JBD=m CONFIG_FAT_FS=m CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=m CONFIG_VFAT_FS=m CONFIG_TMPFS=y CONFIG_RAMFS=y CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y CONFIG_JFS_FS=m CONFIG_JFS_STATISTICS=y CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_CONFIG=m CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_XFS_FS=m CONFIG_NFS_FS=y CONFIG_NFSD=y CONFIG_SUNRPC=y CONFIG_LOCKD=y CONFIG_SMB_FS=m CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE="cp437" CONFIG_SMB_UNIX=y CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y CONFIG_SMB_NLS=y CONFIG_NLS=y CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="iso8859-1" CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE=m CONFIG_FB=y CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_FB_LOGO_TUX=y CONFIG_FB_VESA=y CONFIG_FB_VGA16=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB8=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB16=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB24=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB32=y CONFIG_FBCON_VGA_PLANES=y CONFIG_FONT_8x8=y CONFIG_FONT_8x16=y CONFIG_SOUND=y CONFIG_SOUND_ES1371=y CONFIG_USB=y CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT=y CONFIG_USB_BLUETOOTH=m CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=m CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DATAFAB=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_FREECOM=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_ISD200=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DPCM=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_HP8200e=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_SDDR09=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_SDDR55=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_JUMPSHOT=y CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=0 CONFIG_ZLIB_INFLATE=m CONFIG_ZLIB_DEFLATE=m Any help really appretiated Cheers Charles

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Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

This time I gave it the name debian.test and got a different set of screens and questions and got further than before, the log-in screen did not appear and as it failed I was asked if I wanted to configure X myself. I've done this X Server before so I know I got it right, however if returned a fault telling me "host name lookup failed" and would not start the X server. I do not understand why a failure in networking, particularly as there is no network, is so important. However i got further this time, and its keeping me busy, the challenge continues onwards and upwards. (When I get this right I've got the CD's for the HURD somewhere, so I won't get bored). -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

I tried the Ctrl + Alt +F1 and that does work, so one symptom is down to not paying attention when Mark and Adam told me how to do it. I have set /etc/hosts to the same format as my Slackware partitions but still I can get to gdm, log in and then the system hangs at "initializing system services" and after a time goes back to grey with the cursor, although I did get the KDE start-up tones whilst altering /etc/hosts from root. I also re-checked and reset xf86config, although I have set it exactly the same as the same version of X which runs my Slackware the screen image is just a tad squashed. Note please do not assume that because I can work VI enough to rewrite /etc/hosts that I can do much else from the command line. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

On Wednesday 16 June 2004 15:32, you wrote: > John, > > Try logging in via one of the virtual terminal screens: ALT+F1. If that > works, This has been the problem, both with 'Woody and 'Sarge' will not respond to ALT+F1! > it proves that there's nothing wrong with the actual > installation, only with the configuration of the window system or the > particular window manager you're using. It looks to me suspiciously as > though it's your X server, though I guess you've realized that already. As far as the Xserver goes, on one of my attempts the installer set it up properly, and on one of the others I did, the login screen is perfect beautifully sharp, and KDE went so far as to give me the set-up wizard before the login box on initial start up. KDE gets as far as the second Icon, (28% in the progress bar), and then stops and goes back to the grey screen with the cursor, Gnome tells me that it could not look up the internet address of the name, and to add the name to /etc/hosts. The names, I left the first as debian, not knowing what was expected, the second I made debian.experiment, the third I used the series of english philosphers.enlightenment .net, in this case thomashobbes.enlightenment.net. wwwofle also shows as failing in the, scroll past at opening. As far as I and my son-in-law can diagnose, its down to ineptitude on my part, I just can't get the hostname, networking bit right and it wont start fully. > > HTH. (Hope that helps?) > On another matter, I see that there are members/a member in the Ipswich area seeking start meetings. The next nearest LUG South, is Southend-on-Sea, and to the west Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire. There must be more than just yourself in Colchester, and I can't believe there's no-one in Chelmsford. Then there's the rest of Essex and the whole of South-West Suffolk apparently a dessert for ALUG or any kind of LUG members. What's your assessment of the need/demand for LUG activities in that area, would it be worth a recruitment notice in uk.comp.os.linux? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Backup software
by Chris Green 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

I am thinking around the problem of improving my backups having had a near disaster a couple of months ago (some disk recovery software saved my bacon). The home network consists of a Linux (slackware) server machine that is on all the time and two or three Win2k desktop machines. I have an old DAT tape drive on the Linux box but I'm leaning towards using the DVD writer on my Win2k desktop machine instead. Backing up the home directories on the Linux box is easy[ish] as they are all simply below the /home directory. However trying to gather the Win2k files I need to backup as well is more messy. I can map drives either way across the network and I could quite easily move the DVD writer to the Linux box. Does anyone here have any recommendations for backup programs for this sort of scenario. What I'm particularly after is something that will have a reasonably good shot at selecting files to be backed up without me having to specify every single folder. I'm quite happy to add a few 'rogue' ones as I find them (e.g. my Palm files) but there must be soemthing that will make a half reasonable shot at finding most 'user' files. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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x86-64
by BenEBoy 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

As mentioned before (unless the post has been eaten somewhere along the line), I am the proud owner of an AMD64. I installed debian on it and, as usual, compiled the kernel from source (it took 10 minutes, rather than the 40-50 mins it used to take). The only problem was that the bzImage was in the i386 directory and not, as I would expect, in the x86-64 directory. *slap* I just checked my .config file and I selected the wrong option on the processor type...onto my second question... I've googled for an answer to this with no luck, but how do I install the 64 bit versions of software for debian? Will apt-get automagically detect I have a 64bit processor and do it for me? Is it not as simple as that? Thanks, BenE

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Re: Debian Install
by John Seago 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

I have been out to my son-in law, both of us Slackware users, to discuss this problem. He tells me that as Slackware users we have been spoilt as Slackware comes with its Gateway, Name Server, Host Name, Hosts Allow, Domain name etc., etc., all ready set up. I just edit the file to alter the computer and domain names, before doing xf86config. (My computer is a stand alone machine with a modem to connect, very, very slowly to the internet). It would appear that its a problem with all, one or some of the above and I need to know the right answers when the installer asks me for decisions, it also explains the failure to get very far with its start up. I've been given some background reading homework and he advised me to ask what answers I might need. As before all suggestions welcome for the next attempt to install! -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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