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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 17 Jan '05

17 Jan '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Archives / spam (Jonathan?)
by Joe Button 15 Jan '05

15 Jan '05

Hi. I think this is probably mostly for Jonathan - IIRC you do Black Cat Networks? I seem to get a fair amount of spam to the address I subscribe to this list with. Presumably the spammers are that address from the public archives of this list at lists.blackcatnetworks.co.uk / lists.alug.org.uk. Is there any possibility of mungeing the addresses or something in the public archives? Cheers, Joe

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Re: new toy
by phil 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

> > > Not strictly Linux related but has anyone seen the new Mac Mini that's > recently been announced ? > > http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/ > > Looks pretty sweet to me and I also find it quietly amusing that for > less than > twice the price of a boxed copy of Windows XP Pro you can buy an OS > that is > at least twice as good, plus the hardware to run it on. > Well I know a few people locally who are looking at least one of these. Anyone interested in arranging a bulk east anglian order? Or, alternatively a bulk order of cheap monitor, keyboard and mouse bundles... Seriously though, as an alternative to a mini-itx box, which I'd been considering, I could see it as a good home to try a PPC distro. I've been trying out the Apple X11 implimentation the past few days, anyone suggest some must have apps to run on it. I have open office and space invaders so far, but I'm looking for a decent 3D modelling program? Phil

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Networking printers with Linux
by Chris Green 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

I'm still trying to decide what all-in-one printer (if any) suits our needs best. I've narrowed down to a shortlist of:- Brother MFC5840CN or MFC3440CN - Linux drivers soon, ethernet and USB Canon MP780 - No Linux drivers, USB HP 7310 or 6110 - No Linux drivers, but PCL3. USB and ethernet. Lexmark X7170 - Win2k and XP only Dell 962 - Dell badged Lexmark X7170 The Dell 962 is unbelievably cheap at the moment (£83 or so) and is basically a Lexmark X7170 with a few cosmetic changes. The Canon also looks good. The HPs are good but not perfect, the Windows drivers use more than 250MB and I've seen reports of problems with them. I *might* thus decide to go for a Windows only printer which raises a question:- Can I connect a printer with a USB interface to my Linux box and share it with Samba so that my Win2k systems can use it even though it doesn't have Linux drivers. If I can do this then the Dell 962 and Canon MP780 are possible but, if not, then I think Brother is the front runner. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Argh! automatic email filtering systems
by adam＠thebowery.co.uk 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

Hi all, The list admins are getting lots of messages saying this:- From: Mail Sieve Subsystem <postmaster(a)messagingengine.com> To: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Automatically rejected mail It looks like someone has subscribed to some kind of filtering by messagingengine.com, which means for every mail that goes to the list the main-admins get a reject notice. If by any chance you know who is using this system then if you can let me or them know that would be great, (or indeed if you are that person and are reading this mail elsewhere then please make it stop!). Any (quick+easy) suggestions of how to track down the person whose mail setup is causing these would be most useful. Oh, and messagingengine.com sucks, as going through the headers I can't find any info on which email address the mail was destined for in the first place as it appears to only look reference the body of the email and not the envelope or delivery addresses :( Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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Re: printers in linux
by tom potts 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

On the slim offchance that this is not a grandmother/egg/vacuum stituation: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/01/13/lnxckbk_samba.html Tom Knowledge is Power: The Encyclopedia Britanica will generate 37.3KwH in a condensing boiler. ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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RE: [ALUG] Networking printers with Linux
by Keith Watson 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

This is probably a silly question but have you looked at www.linuxprinting.org ? I expect you have, but Justin Case (whoever he is :o) ) Regards, Keith ____________ Beginning is easy - continuing is hard. - Japanese Proverb > -----Original Message----- > From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk > [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Chris Green > Sent: 13 January 2005 14:42 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: [ALUG] Networking printers with Linux > > > I'm still trying to decide what all-in-one printer (if any) suits our > needs best. I've narrowed down to a shortlist of:- > Brother MFC5840CN or MFC3440CN - Linux drivers soon, > ethernet and USB > Canon MP780 - No Linux drivers, USB > HP 7310 or 6110 - No Linux drivers, but PCL3. USB and ethernet. > Lexmark X7170 - Win2k and XP only > Dell 962 - Dell badged Lexmark X7170 > > The Dell 962 is unbelievably cheap at the moment (£83 or so) and is > basically a Lexmark X7170 with a few cosmetic changes. The Canon also > looks good. The HPs are good but not perfect, the Windows drivers > use more than 250MB and I've seen reports of problems with them. > > I *might* thus decide to go for a Windows only printer which raises a > question:- > > Can I connect a printer with a USB interface to my Linux box and > share it with Samba so that my Win2k systems can use it even > though it doesn't have Linux drivers. > > If I can do this then the Dell 962 and Canon MP780 are possible but, > if not, then I think Brother is the front runner. > > -- > Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) > > "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by > incompetence." > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! >

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Any experience with Brother printers here?
by Chris Green 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

I'm thinking of buying an 'all-in-one' printer to save space in our home office and some of the Brother models seem to offer all we want at a reasonable price. In particular we're interested in the MFC3345CN and the MFC5840CN. I've not had particularly good experience with Brother printers, we had an HL1060 laser for quite a while and it was never really quite as good as it should have been. The HP1150 laser we replaced it with is much better and more trouble-free. However the MFC3345CN and MFC5840CN. are inkjets so are rather different. Does anyone have any experience with these two (or similar) Brother printers? They both offer:- 20ppm B&W, 15ppm colour inkjet printing (take the speeds with a pinch of salt, isn't really important). Fax Scanner (MFC3345CN sheet feed, MFC5840CN flat bed) Photo printing with photo card readers Copier function Automatic Document Feeder What I'm particularly interested in is:- Paper handling reliability and space used by paper in and out. Quality of printing (compared with HP 840C for example) Linux compatibility -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Where has everyone gone?
by Chris Green 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Where's everyone gone? It's been very quiet here for the past few days. Or has something gone wrong with my E-Mail (I'm seeing my own messages though). I'm still wondering about printers for our SoHo system, I'm not so sure that the Brother all-in-one is the right way to go now. What we have at present is:- Old Brother thermal paper fax machine HP840C inkjet Epson 1650 photo scanner HP1150 laser printer I'd really like to take less space for all these facilities which was why I was looking at the Brother, it would replace the fax machine and the HP840C and give standalone copying as well. To bring Linux into the equation whatever printer(s) I get have to work for Linux as well as for Win2k. Currently the HP840C and 1150 are on a print server and there are reasonable Linux drivers for both these printers. It gets more complicated with newer printers though as many only have USB and that means I'd probably have to have them connected to the Linux box and make them available using Samba. Some printers have built in networking (like the Brothers) and that adds a further grey area in that I don't know if the networking they provide is compatible with Linux. One thing I'd really like is a duplex (i.e. double sided) printer which would replace the HP1150 as the workhorse printer. Many of the latest generation of colour lasers have reasonably cheap duplex add-ons (or have it built in) so this could well be one way to go, though it doesn't save any space. Again does anyone know if any of the cheap colour laser printers work well with Linux? (e.g. Samsung CLP500/CLP550, Epson C900, C1100, Minolta 2300). -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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ALUG site hosting and Library things
by Wayne Stallwood 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Who is responsible for the hosting of the ALUG site, does anybody know if it has the facilities I would need to host the ALUG Library there ? Primarily I need MySQL and PHP, although shell access would also be nice. I really don't mind hosting it in some free webspace I got from my ISP (where it is now) we could link to it from the main ALUG site and all would be well.....except for a few tiny things. Plusnet's CGI and MySQL servers are a bit slow sometimes. It's just not as tidy when a link for an ALUG facility takes you to a third parties domain for what is supposed to be part of the LUG. But mainly there are a couple of things I would like to add down the road that really aren't going to be that easy with it where it is right now. One is that I would (eventually) like to create (or convince some kind soul to contribute) some php hack that lists book reviews on a page on the ALUG site outside of the library login. As pointed out by Ashley this may help us get more books donated in the future by publishers. Another thing I thought of is tying the library registration into the list subscription mechanism, so as soon as you join the list you get an email with a username and random password from the library. Unfortunately both of these things really need access to the library database from outside my hosting provider's domain (something I don't think plusnet provide)

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