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Re: [Alug] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list (Digest mode)
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

If your bying new hardware you shouldnt need to set IRQ's, DMA's or ioports's. Most pci and agp cards self configure so unless you still have a isa card youll be fine. Debian's a good distro but Mandrake is your easy as hell to install if you want the easyer then windows 98 install path. ----- Original Message ----- From: B.E.D.Ellis-00(a)student.lboro.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:48:56 +0000 (GMT) To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list (Digest mode) > Quoting Paul <paul.corner(a)tesco.net>: > > > If you need any CDs of the various distros, you only have to ask - Most > > of us > > are only too willing to help out. > > I'm happy to download any ISOs etc I need from the net, I'm not in a rush to do > anything really. Thanks for the offer though. > > Quoting Tristan Scott <trs(a)scott998.freeserve.co.uk>: > > > Im running Gentoo. this is a good one if you're already into linux > > I'm not ^^ > > > This is irrelevent for a newbie tho, i suggest using some distro that > > holds your hand... what language(s) do you write in? gentoo obviously > > has a good build environment, but i dont know about the big distros... > > I think I'll stick with Debian unless someone has a good reason I shouldn't. > > I'm a decent programmer when it comes to java, c, c++, c#, php, VB, JavaScript > and most of their variations (such as ActionScript, VBScript, JSP, ASP, etc). > I've messed around with Assembly, OpenGL, DirectX, the WinAPI and > Sockets/Network programming but not done any major projects with them yet. > > I'm absololutly useless when it comes to hardware though. Only recently I'm > starting to come to grips with everything since I'm planning on buying a new > computer so been reading up on all the latest tech stuff. > I think I'll have the most trouble during installation when it asks for my > hardware settings (like an Interupts/DMA/etc). As for figuring out how to > install various packages, thats where I ring up a few friends and post to this > list. > > Cheers for the feedback, > > Ben "Losing broadband for a whole 2 weeks, how am I gonna survive?!?!?" > Ellis > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Stupid Mistake #427 (one in a series of 1000's)
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Keith Watson wrote: >Here's a neat way to trash your Debian installation. Use dselect to install and uninstall a few packages, when >dselect warns you >that you're about to uninstall the ncurses library just hit the return key (default answer is 'y'). Works a treat! >:o( Reminds me fondly of the time I typed "rm -r ./*" and missed out the full stop :-) Luckily I wasn't root at the time. >(I've also just realised that XFree86 is a pun on X386 - groan, never mind, I'll just keep banging the rocks >together). Heh. I hadn't noticed either. Ug ug. Next meeting anyone? January? Jenny.

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Stupid Mistake #427 (one in a series of 1000's)
by Keith Watson 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Here's a neat way to trash your Debian installation. Use dselect to install and uninstall a few packages, when dselect warns you that you're about to uninstall the ncurses library just hit the return key (default answer is 'y'). Works a treat! :o( (I've also just realised that XFree86 is a pun on X386 - groan, never mind, I'll just keep banging the rocks together). Keith ____________ Life is a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved. Zen Saying

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Re: [Alug] Linux booting from second ide controller?
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Thanx girls/guys ill try it out with a second hard drive. Using the NT bootloader seems abit piontless and harder then lilo sorry if there's nothing wrong with using lilo on the win2000 mbr then itll do that and install debian or Mandrake on my second hard drive. Maybe it was the hurd that has a problem witht booting from the second ide controller... wouldnt supprise me as it cant support over 2Gb hard disc partitions, ill try installing that on the second one as well just for fun =). Ill tell you how i get on. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Drake" <linux(a)drake.org.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:23:16 -0000 To: "NuTTeR -- Not Entered --" <uknutter(a)graffiti.net> Subject: Re: [Alug] Linux booting from second ide controller? > It's always worth investing in a copy of Partition Magic > (http://www.powerquest.com). That way, you can always resize partitions to > your hearts content without having to wipe and the re-intall operating > systems all day long. > > I've not had any problems with booting Windows 2000 or Windows XP with Lilo, > and neither have I had a problem in the past of installing Linux on the > second hard drive and booting it from the first (as part of Lilo). > > Regards, > > Martyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NuTTeR -- Not Entered --" <uknutter(a)graffiti.net> > To: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:57 PM > Subject: [Alug] Linux booting from second ide controller? > > > > Hi, > > Ive just got a new computer with win 2000 installed. Its also got alot of > specialist software and device drivers(not avalible for linux) so im keeping > it(i also like it its the only version of windows i can say that about). > > > > So my problem is that i dont want to re-install windows 2000 on a smaller > partition unless i have REALY have to. If there were a version of fips or > somthing similare then id maybe resize it so i could fit a smallish "/boot" > partision. The boot partition needs to be in the first 8 Gig if i remember > correctly or is that just older computers/drives? I do have a spare hd lying > around not doing much but i seem to remember theres a problem getting linux > to boot fromt he second ide controller, am i wrong? > > > > Also is there anyproblems booting win2000 with lilo? Same as win98 right? > > > > Thanx girls/guys =) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > _______________________________________________ > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > > > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] RH 7.3 Install
by Andrew Wallis 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Not sure what your problem is but I suggest you enter the SCSI BIOS at boot-up and carry out a complete low-level format of the disk from there (and verification / re-mapping of faulty sectors) if you have the time. Then re-try your installation. BTW, I always do this before a new installation in case any new bad sectors have turned up. Regards Andrew Wallis Fox Cottage Fox Hill St Cross South Elmham HARLESTON IP20 0NX UK phone: +44 (0) 1986 782283 mobile: +44 (0) 7860 217025 SMS via email: mailto:+447860217025@mmail.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > Message: 2 > From: jamie.french(a)talk21.com > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:53:26 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Alug] RH 7.3 Install > > > Hi Guys, > > After downloading RH7.3 and conducted a linux mediacheck when at > partitioning stage I receive the following error > "Partition table on device sda was unreadable. Initialize this > drive Yes/No." > By selecting Yes the following error occured "no valid devices > were found to create new filesystems". Thus the system kills > sessions and reboots. > > By checking system messages (ctrl+alt+F4) at various points I can > determine that the SCSI card and devices where detected. > > Though after receiving the final error messege the following > system message appears a number of time "parity error detected in > data-in phase". > > Please bear in mind this machine has been running SuSe without > any difficulties. > > Machine Spec: > > Supermicro P6SBU > 196MB > Onboard AIC-7890 SCSI ULTRA2/LVD > Seagate 9GB LVD > > Any help would be great as I am trying to learn this sh*t. > > Take Care, > > Jamie > > Best Regards, > > Jamie French

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Re: [Alug] Wireless networking
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

I think one of the linux mags had an artical about wirless cards atm :). i didnt see anything about attaching external antennas though sorry. It did how every say its a download and recompile stuff setup as no distros support the newer cards verymuch/atall. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Jude <S.Jude(a)uea.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:44:43 +0000 (GMT) To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Wireless networking > Hi, > Does any anybody have any experience of wireless networking kit and linux? > In particular can anybody suggest any cards that have the facility to plug > in external antennas (SMA connectors) and that are reasonably priced? > > Simon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] RH 7.3 Install
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Well if you recompile your kernel and leave in only the devices that are needed + turn on the arch optimizations you should be able to see the difference. I know i can on my laptop when i fiddle around with the kernel options anoth ;).But on my laptop i find kde and gnome to slow any way(iceWM is the only way unless showing ppl that linux is user freindly). Window decorations, desktop backgrounds, ... do make a differnence as well but most of it is down to ram size and what your trying to fit in there i think. Ive always found debian to run very cuclutered and things like SuSe, Mandrake(9.0 seemed better then 8.*) to be bloated. Dennis > Unneeded service installations aside, should there really be that much > difference between different distributions anyway. I know some complie their > packages with Pentium optimisations and others not, but no-one really does > any heavy optimisation on the kernel do they ? > > Or is it just things like default themes that are making all the difference ? -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] Woody
by franardia＠the-fastest.net 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Thank you everyone, very much. (Also for the welcomes... :D) This combination worked perfectly: > >> (Hold down CTL + ALT + F1 if you are stuck on the blank Xwindow > >> screen, this will bring you to a log-in console on tty1, then, as > >> root, type > > > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # XFree86 4.x I have another question, if that is not too much asking (I truly am a newbie in search of liberation from MS enslavement). I have installed windowmaker as a window manager, but the thing is that it is started "on top" of Gnome 1.4. I tried following some advice given on the debian website, but I couldn't get rid of gnome at startup. Where do I make gdm not start so I can use wmaker instead? Thank you for ANY help, as usual. Francesco. PS I would be interested in attending some meeting, or perhaps at least over IRC (I am in Essex, with no transport, so I don't know how I could get to attend a meeting, which is where IRC would come in useful...:)). On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:13:34 -0000, "Jonathan Dye" <jonathan.dye(a)automationpartnership.com> said: > MJ Ray wrote: > > Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com > > <Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com> wrote: > >> Have you tried logging in to a console and rerunning XF86Setup? > >> (Hold down CTL + ALT + F1 if you are stuck on the blank Xwindow > >> screen, this will bring you to a log-in console on tty1, then, as > >> root, type > > > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # XFree86 4.x > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-svga # XFree86 3.x usually > > > > may be preferable in some circumstances. > > Might be worth doing an > > apt-get install read-edid > > first and then the reconfigure should hopefully detect the resolutions > your > monitor supports automatically (if it's not ancient). > > JD > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This message has been checked for all known viruses by the > MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > -- http://fastmail.fm - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place

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the last meeting / linux lectures
by David Eisenhart 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Having expressed great interest in the proposed Linux lectures my apologies for not making it to the last meeting to contribute to the discussion. (I have unfortunately just got back from being away). If its not too late to throw in an idea:- maybe materials and ideas from the LFS project could be usefully drawn upon throughout the lecture series (not necessarily the whole thing of course, but appropriate selected bits). This could cut down on preparation time and also provide a body of available, quality written materials. David Eisenhart

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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