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RE: Returning unused copies of Wiindows
by Michael Sage 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

The problem is the software is considered as much a part of the package as the hardware. You don't buy a computer from Dell without a processor, so why should you be "competent" to install a processor or indeed an operating system. I also seem to remember M$ threatening OEMs a few months ago about shipping a PC without an OS, they called it an illegal machine and wanted all OEMs to report it too them immediately, with this kind of thing is it any wander OEMs wont refund anything on the OS. Unfortunately this is the way it is. I recommend buying a machine with Windows 98 rather than 2k/XP that way you can either give the license to a local school (although this too is deemed illegal by MS as they have decided that an OEM licence is bound to hardware, go one prove it! :o) ) or similar. Any way, that's the way I see it. Regards, Michael P.S I don't think I can make the 3rd.

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Me!
by Michael Sage 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

As Requested in the joining mail here is a short piece about me. Interest in Linux started way back in 1997/98 when I worked for a small ISP. Worked there part time, then when I finished college went back full time, general basic Linux admin (apache, qmail, user management, support etc). Moved to a small software house in Norwich, lost my linuxy roots, although, during this time built and used Linux Firewalls (2.2 and 2.4 varitents) and web servers. 2002 moved to Pitman Training in Norwich, in the process of migrating a Novell network to Linux, also in process of maintaining Linux Firewalls (hardcore and Mandrake firewall edition) as well as setting up a DNS server for a local company in the near furture. As well as all of this in the process of getting Linux certification instated to Pitman, including RHE, Linux+ and LCA quailifications. Still under the impression that Linux isnt quite ready for the desktop, although it is nearly there. Fav Distro: Slackware. There thats me! :o) Kind Regards, Michael Sage Technical and Network Manager -- Pitman Norwich Tel: 01603 619769 2 Recorder Road Fax: 01603 619769 Norwich, NR1 1NR

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Returning unused copies of Windows
by Andrew Bayliss 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

My girlfriend has just bougt an Acer laptop through Dabs and is planning to run Debian on it, and is fairly peeved that she has had to pay for a useless copy of Windows XP. I remember hearing a while ago about Linux users returning unused (i.e. never booted) copies of Windows (I think this was around the 95/98 time) that they had been forced to buy with computers, usually laptops. Does anyone know if this is still possible under the Windows XP EULA? -- Andrew

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #28 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: supporting Free Software (MJ Ray) 2. Peterborough LUG meeting Thursday (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:02:47 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: supporting Free Software On October 9th the UK Free Software Network - UKFSN.ORG - launched at Linux Expo. UKFSN is an Internet Service Provider with a difference - all of the profits from the operation will be donated to fund Free Software projects in the UK. Each month UKFSN will release a public statement clearly showing how much income was raised during the preceeding month and how much is cost to run the service. The surplus will then be paid to the Association for Free Software (http://www.affs.org.uk/) who have agreed to handle the distribution of the money raised. The UK Free Software Network offers all the standard services one expects from an ISP including 0845 dialup access, email, web hosting and usenet. These standard offerings are beefed up with the inclusion of perl, PHP and python and MySQL support for the web hosting and extensive SPAM control measures in the email service. The service is not just for geeks however. As well as subscription free Internet access and services UKFSN.ORG offers professional hosting options for businesses and domain registration services. Business users will especially appreciate the WorldPay payment system perl module that has been written to support ecommerce transactions by UKFSN hosted sites. UKFSN is being run by Jason Clifford, the person behind Definite Linux - the now defunct British Linux distribution. The UKFSN website is http://www.ukfsn.org/ info(a)ukfsn.org for more information. The Association for Free Software is a membership organisation which promotes and defends Free Software in the UK and is an associate organisation of the Free Software Foundation Europe. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:41:20 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Peterborough LUG meeting Thursday Our neighbours in Peterborough will be meeting on Thursday evening. The talk will be about high capacity web serving, a talk that will also be given at Apachecon in the US later this year. Details are on http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/meeting.php I'll be travelling there along the A47 from West Norfolk. If anyone wants a lift, email me. MJR -- MJR| v ---|--[ Luminas internet applications http://www.luminas.co.uk/ ]-----| `--[ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ ]---------[ slef at jabber.at ]-----' --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Meetings on irc
by Owen 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Sorry been away from alug for a while where do you now meet on irc, I found this server which refused to let me in Regards Owen

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compiling
by Simon Jude 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Hi, I need to compile a driver so that I can get the network to run on my laptop. Being a newbie when it comes to compiling (except for kernels), could somebody please explain what kernel headers are? The instructions say unpack the tarball and run make (you need kernel headers for this, with /usr/src/linux pointing to them). I understand the first bit but not the rest!! Any help would be appreciated!!! Thanks Simon

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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.bashrc or .bash_profile? (poss gentoo specific?)
by Ricardo Campos 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

OK. Silly but annoying problem. In gentoo, all I get is sh-2.05a$ as my prompt in Eterm. Before I run X, I do get the familiar ricardo@hostname directory$ I want it back, since I'm a forgetful soul, and it would save me all that typing of pwd. But adding the suitable PS1 variable to .bash_profile doesn't help. Also, the ls alias that gives me different colours for directories, executables etc doesn't work in a terminal (not just eterm). Any clues? Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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registering domains
by Owen 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

Wheres a good place to get a domain registered securley, was going to use entora but they seem to be no more Regards Owen

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Re: [Alug] Linux advocacy (ish)
by Ricardo Campos 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

> 'Computing' have had a few pro linux articles recently, it may be worth giving > them a try. <insert URL of computing here>. Mostly from sun though IIRC, so > it may be a bit partisan. There may be some links to what your're looking for > perhaps... > > And I'm sure there is a write up of that samba vs. NT test knocking about > somewhere, it may give you a few quotes... Thanks! The course is called "Computer Architecture and Communications", so I'm gonna use kernel.org for the fact that the kernel has been ported to Intel, SPARC, Alpha, etc. I found the SAMBA article (via samba.org), however, I haven't yet found proper figures yet. I've also found some stuff on the relative benefits of Linux's TCP/IP stacks performance, but again, summaries with no hard data. grrr. :-/ Thanks for the help! (Off to search computing journals in the library) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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