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Fwd: Re: [Alug] Returning unused copies of Windows
by Wayne Stallwood 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

But not apparently if you are a private customer. To see my point go to dell.co.uk, configure and buy a Inspiron 8200 Laptop. XP Home and XP Pro are the only OS options FreeDOS no longer seems to be an option. Neither is the "No Operating system installed" that they offered a few years ago. In addition to this I have to select either Works, Office XP SBE or Office XP Pro. Again no option for none of the above. Wayne On Friday 18 October 2002 12:46, Adam Bower wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 09:02:21PM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote: > > It really bugs me that I have a paid for boxed copy of Win2000 here > > (sitting unused) , but if I bought a new machine from Dell I would have > > to buy Windows all over again. > > why? you have a full retail copy you can install it on any machine you > like, if you don't want to pay windows tax buy your dell with the copy of > FreeDOS. Anyhow dell did offer machines with Redhat pre-installed a couple > of years back but they dropped it as the amount it cost them to support was > not worth the small volume they were selling and they figured that people > who wanted Linux would install the distro they wanted, IIRC. > > Adam -------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [Alug] Microsoft Invasion of UEA
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

> is this something we can discuss at Sylham on the 3rd? > Whats wrong with the list? I feel linux and most of the server avalible for it do a job and do it well... i think if you look at the amount of servers using apachy youll see that opensource is the "right" tool for the job. [getting away from the "use the right tool for the right job" thing] When is this talk happening? i would like there to be some1 to tell the sys kidys the joys of OpenSource =). I also think free distro cd's are a good idea. Could this be another Linux install day? i think it would be a good idea :). ill help in any way i can, i can talk aabout opensource(when proded anoth) or just give out some cd's, flyers that kinda stuff. I can only be at the UEA on a friday though (sorry other commitments rest of week.. Uni in Cambridge). (sys kidz, what are they? is it just ppl doing C.S. degreez.. that means me :-P ) -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] Microsoft Invasion of UEA
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

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Linux Expoo =D
by Craig 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

Well that what I really thought but then the only good part was the Mac OSX talk and their stand. Oh and the playstation 2 linux kit was really decent! -- (o_ .----------------------------------------. //\ | Craig Butcher | http://www.wizball.co.uk| V_/_ | - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux - | `----------------------------------------'

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RE: [Alug] Microsoft Invasion of UEA
by Keith Watson 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

> jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk, Monday, October 14, 2002 10:16 AM > > David Cartwright wrote: > <many fine, well reasoned arguments> > > Bravo, that man. > Ditto. For me Naomi Klein's No Logo <http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0006530400/qid%3D1034588688/202-47…> sums up many of my causes for concern about MS (and other big corporates) but David is right, sometimes they produce good products and, as professionals(?), we should always use the best (in our own judgement) tools for the job in hand and trying to put our personal prejudices aside. Keith

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Gentoo (whizz!)
by Ricardo Campos 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

I've just installed Gentoo on my laptop (thanks to broadband!) and I have to say that I am really impressed. At the moment it is a skeleton system, with Gnome2 and that's about it, but I noted down some times for applications to run (i.e. Mozilla, which always takes ages to run, and Nautilus). In a way, it's an unfair test, since Gentoo uses far more up to date progs than the other distro (Redhat 7.3 in this case), so bear that in mind... (also, gnome may not have many of the components that slowed it down from logging in at gdm to the desktop being available yet). However; gnome is DEFINITELY running much faster. It used to take 10 seconds from gdm to a desktop, it now takes 6. (approx). Again, the diff is so massive, I guess there's some gnome components I'm missing. I'll post the details of the Mozilla test once it's installed. The downside; it takes ages, even with a 600kbps connection (generally 40-60kbps download speeds) and a 1ghz celeron processor and 256MB RAM. But then you'd expect that, compiling X and gnome2 from source! Erm, other than that, there really isn't a downside! I've only been using Linux for a year, so I feel like a not-quite-newbie, and there have been moments where it has stretched my knowledge (even at this point!). compiling a ridiculously patched 2.4.19 kernel, for example, produced some surprises. However the docs on the gentoo website are AMAZING. The best I've read so far. I'm still a little unsure that may USE variables are set correctly, but I guess I can always make world if I have to. I intend to do a wee review on the Wiki, comparing times for various apps, and also I know that I've yet to install any of the apps that are *really* tricky. I'm also a total emerge newbie, so comparing it with apt would be unfair at this point. Anyhoo, I'll post the link to the Wiki when it is done (but that may be a couple of weeks). I'll post the mozilla findings later today, when I should hopefully have it installed. Weeeeeeeeeeee! Ricardo PS. *DISCLAIMER* I still use debian on my other box, and any comparison is not to knock any distro at all (different strokes etc, different horses etc & other such sayings), merely to review the new one I'm trying out. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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IDE's for Java
by Ricardo Campos 17 Oct '02

17 Oct '02

I'm looking for a good IDE to use for Java programming... any tips (and indeed any dgood 'nix CASE tools/ diagramming progs)? Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] IDE's for Java
by Ricardo Campos 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

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RE:IDE's for Java (Raphael Mankin)
by tom potts 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

http://www.kdevelop.org/ has what I believe is a very nice IDE that may be able to do Java -its not yet available for v3 but I heard it was running in v2. A warning about Forte - I've run it on a 800MHz/256Meg Ram W2K and it took over 3 minutes to load. Worked quite well when it was up but probably no a tool for beginners unless they're patient. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: [Alug] USB + 2.4.19 + pcmcia
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

Re. my pcmcia not working with kernel 2.4.19 problem: MJRay wrote: >Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com <Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com> wrote: >> insmod won't load them [...] > >...and does modprobe like it any better? Sometimes it can be that something >else is required that you haven't included. The dependency handling of >building kernel modules is rather primitive, sadly. > >MJR Fixed! I rebuilt the kernel with pcmcia support compiled in rather than as a module, and it works! I now have a laptop with USB and PCMCIA. *joy* Thanks for all the suggestions and help, Jenny.

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