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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 19 Aug '02

19 Aug '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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QEmacs, a surprising editor
by MJ Ray 16 Aug '02

16 Aug '02

I just downloaded and installed the qemacs editor. (Debian: apt-get install qemacs.) If you open an HTML file with it, it renders it and lets you edit the rendered version a bit. You can get at the source for more serious changes with M-x xml-mode, but it surprised me that a sub-200k editor contains an CSS-based HTML renderer. Amazing, eh? It also can edit utf-8 (multilingual) with a variety of input methods taken from Yudit. It's still early days for this editor (and I've filed some bugs against it), but it's quite promising and I thought I'd let you all know. QEmacs is at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemacs/ Yudit is at http://www.yudit.org/

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Can't start Gnome-terminal with non-root user.
by Keith Watson 14 Aug '02

14 Aug '02

I finally got round to setting up another user account (other than root) on my scratch built system. Most things are working except for Gnome-terminal. It starts fine for root but crashes with a message about changes to the 2.2.x kernel and checking ptys. Given that it works fine for root I think this is a red-herring. I think this is a file permissions problem. I've scanned round the web and found a couple of hits that suggested some file permissions that need to be set. I've checked these and they are ok. Any suggestions for how I might go about tracking this down (and yes I know I could cure this by installing a 'proper' distro, but what will I learn from that? - don't answer that, it's rhetorical :o) ) ____________ BAROMETER, n. An ingenious instrument which indicates what kind of weather we are having. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary ____________ Hey, I found out how to get rid of all the crap our e-mail system added to the end of the message! :oD

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #22 - 4 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 13 Aug '02

13 Aug '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Bletchley Park trip - 18th August? (MJ Ray) 2. In memoriam, Edsger W. Dijkstra, 1930-2002 (Keith Watson) 3. Fwd: [peterboro] Month of August and PLUG meeting (MJ Ray) 4. modem needed (Jenny Hopkins) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:40:40 +0100 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [Alug Announce] Bletchley Park trip - 18th August? ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:35:38 +0100 From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk(a)oxlug.org> Subject: [lugmaster] FW: Bletchley Park trip - 18th August? See forwarded message below - people from other LUGs are welcome too, not just Greater London, so please circulate this! Contact Richard directly to arrange times to meet etc. Bletchley Park, including the computer museum, is well worth a visit. (Indeed you need more than one visit to take everything in.) Photos I took last time I went: http://sparky.ox.compsoc.net/~agk/Photos/Compsoc/Bletchley_Park/ [If travelling by train, be aware of the replacement buses at weekends. You want Bletchley station, a few miles South of Milton Keynes. If coming through London, you might find a combination of a travelcard with a Silverlink-only ticket from "Boundary Zone 6" to Bletchley works out cheaper than a through ticket.] Alasdair - ----- Forwarded message from Richard Cohen <richard(a)vmlinuz.org> ----- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:01:19 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Cohen <richard(a)vmlinuz.org> Subject: [Gllug] Bletchley Park trip - 18th August? To: gllug(a)linux.co.uk Yes, I know it's short notice... For a couple of years, there have been discussions of a possible GLLUG picnic at Bletchley Park, a genuine geek pilgrimage site - all credit to John Hearnes, who's proposed and pushed the idea in the past... I'm proposing that if you're not doing anything else next Sunday (the 18th), we get together there for the GLLUG picnic '02. Why that date? Three reasons come to mind: They're having an Airbourne Forces weekend that weekend, which means paratrooper and commando displays, and a WWII overflight on the Sunday; It's the same weekend as the Picn*x11 Linux picnic (www.linuxpicnic.org) in California - if we decide on that date quickly, we should be able to get some publicity out of that; No time like the present - the weather is pretty variable at the moment, so thats no help in picking a date, and I know people will be on holiday, but at least if we pick a date, it might actually *happen* this year! Apparently there might be engineering works which would affect the trains, but barring that, I propose those who want to take the train meet at Euston at maybe 11ish on the Sunday, and those who want to go under their own steam aim to meet us there at around 12? I've called and provisionally booked us in - I can call and cancel if no-one else can make it, or if it's a silly idea, or I can call and confirm if there's going to be 10-15 people or more there. I'd want to know by, say, Tuesday next week... We can discuss it on-list, or on my Wiki (@wiki.vmlinuz.org) - if you're a confirmed yes, add your name to the BletchleyParkInterestList there. For what it's worth, I'd say families are welcome - trying to make it *slightly* less geeky :-) For anyone who doesn't know about Bletchley Park (shame on you!) there's oodles of info at www.bletchleypark.org.uk - yes, it's a pretty crappy-looking site, but remember to hold your complaining off until we get there... There would be an entrace fee of £6 (£5 concessions) and they don't do group prices :-( Let's make it happen this year! :-) Cheers Richard - -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug(a)linux.co.uk http://list.ftech.net/mailman/listinfo/gllug - ----- End forwarded message ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The UK Lugmaster Mailing List http://www.lug.org.uk/lugmasters/lugmaster.php - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------- End of Forwarded Message --__--__-- Message: 2 Reply-To: <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> From: "Keith Watson" <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> To: "ALUG Announce \(E-mail\)" <announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:15:27 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] In memoriam, Edsger W. Dijkstra, 1930-2002 A bit of sad news, http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/UTCS/notices/dijkstra/ewdobit.html Regards, Keith --__--__-- Message: 3 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:41:08 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: [peterboro] Month of August and PLUG meeting Apologies for being slow forwarding this on. Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:22:35 +0100 From: Ben Hayes <Ben(a)benhayes.uklinux.net> Subject: [peterboro] Month of August and PLUG meeting Reply-To: peterboro(a)lists.lug.org.uk I know that this is a bit early but could everyone pencil in their diaries the next PLUG meeting which will be held on 29 August at 7:30 p.m. The meeting will be held at my work location. For those who have not come before, the address is as follows: Misys Insurance Management Ltd 7 North Street Cavell Court Peterborough We are located across from the Westgate parking lot and a few doors down from Bogarts Pub. My work has free, secure parking for those who will be driving. *** You should mention that you are going on the PLUG mailing list and get Ben's phone number to get in. *** Mark (from Quarello) will be doing a talk on Apache and PHP configuration. At some point over the next next month or two, Mark will doing a talk on PHP (this is a lead up to the PHP talk). Steve Gallagher is on holiday and will not be back until the 19th of this month. I, unfortunately, will be away on training from the 12th - 25th of August (MCSE Boot Camp). If anyone needs to contact me, please give me a call on my mobile. I will give you a call back whenever I can. Cheers Ben --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:02:57 +0100 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: Jenny Hopkins <jenny(a)trx850.uklinux.net> Subject: [Alug Announce] modem needed If anyone has a spare modem they would be interested in selling, please could they contact me off-list? The last thunderstorm we had here took both of mine out :-( Cheers, Jenny. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Re: [alug social] Re: [Alug] Debian CDs
by Adam Bower 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 01:02:26PM +0100, Alexis Lee wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 10:51:40PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote: > > I have all 4 Hurd CDs but there is one slight problem and that is my > > CD-Burning machine just died..... but when it is working i will be > > able to start doing CDs again and things..... > > I know! > Why don't you just email them to me, then I can burn them for you! well I have dsl so i could theoretically upload them at 288 kbit/s and seeing as I downloaded them at 5 kByte/s it could be lots faster for you to get them that way as the mirror was rather slow (and based in hungary) or i could of course mail them as uunecoded in multiple mail messages to the list ;) Adam -- "Step away from the Cathedral, This Bazaar is loaded" jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li

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Need advice for laptop install
by kmweb 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

Hello, I have a laptop with windows Home-XP (Which I find the most irritating of all the Windows OS's that I've ever used), the laptop has a 18 Gig disk drive. I want to repartition the drive, to keep the XP in a half the drive and install Linux on the other half. I'm not a Linux expert but want to use the laptop to get further Linux experience. In the past I have purchased various partition software manager's each time Microsoft changed something but having done that 3 times now I wonder if there is any alternative (My latest version was partition magic 4.0 which won't handle the new format NTFS that XP has been loaded with). Can anyone suggest any free software or any techniques for safely repartitioning the Laptop without reformating the existing XP partition? Thanks Karl Middleton

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RE: [Alug] Can't start Gnome-terminal with non-root user.
by Keith Watson 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

> From: xs(a)kittenz.org [mailto:xs@kittenz.org] on Friday, August 09, 2002 11:09 AM > > on Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 11:07:34AM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: > > Most things are working except for Gnome-terminal. > > > > It starts fine for root but crashes with a message about > changes to the > > 2.2.x kernel and checking ptys. > > Under unices that lack a /dev/ptmx-like system of > psuedo-terminal allocation, > generally root privileges are needed to fully acquire a pty > (because it must > chown and chmod the tty device.) You may want to check you > have support for > unix98 ptys in your kernel and a /dev/ptmx. This also > requires glibc>=2.1. > I guess if you are using devfs this should not be an issue.. > I think you've put your finger on the hole in my set-up, I've just popped over to Richard Gooch's site and read the Devfs FAQ <http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/docs/devfs.html>. I think I need to regen the kernel with devfs support and implement devfs. Thanks! Keith ____________ Where does a wise man look for pebbles? On a beach. Where does the wise man hide a leaf? In a forest. G.K. Chesterton

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

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Re: [Alug] postgresql problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

MJRay wrote: >Alternatively, you should install the postgresql-dev package. Normally, to >be able to compile against a library in a package, look for a matching -dev >package. (I think RPM-based distributions use -devel instead. Keystroke >wasters!) > >Far be it from me to dis' yo' bro', but I think he didn't quite give you the >full story this time... That makes sense. I might have known there was a cunning use for these -dev packages My bro' is unfamiliar with debian and the package system, btw. I was grateful to find out what the recalcitrant file was at the time; don't like to harass the alug list with *all* my woes and problems. Just most of them. ;-) Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] postgresql problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

MJRay wrote: >> psql points to /usr/bin/psql which is a link to pg_wrapper, which is a >> binary file, which presumably has the full path. How would I alter this? >Recompile with the right prefix, probably. I think I'll try and cheat and see if i can just create /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/psql as a link to /usr/local/pgsql/bin/psql. I daren't recompile - I just got php, postgres, apache working together after trying for a month. I danced singing round the office this morning. >....(There are debian packages for postgres, btw.) I originally installed it from the deb package but I couldn't get php to compile with psql, as libpq-fe.h was missing. My bro' told me: "lipq-fe.h is a C header file which should be in the lib directory of Postgres BUT may not be there unless you built Postgres from source. A header file is a sort of contract that C makes, declaring which functions there will be, and they're used for linking programs together, eg php and postgres." Thanks, Jenny.

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