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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On 23 Aug 2001 22:05:12 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > > > I know you need to do an exam for a VHF license (got mine soon) but for > > 802.11 you don't it sits in the Industrial, Scientific and Medical (ISM) > > 802.11? Airsnort! see http://lwn.net/ security section amongst > others. Hey get with the picture, WEP was cracked ages ago. It is known to be easy to crack. As for Airsnort its just a free version of a package I saw for windows which did all the same stuff. If you run 802.11 then you need to run IPSec over the top, its the only way of making it secure. Thanks D -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > > 1. John Woodard -- "Why I can't install Debian" > Mine was more of a question than a talk. I fear the talk would be rather > short along the lines of "I can't install deb coz I'm a total plonker!" at > leat in the eyes of MJR I am. :-) Oh, OK, we're looking for a new talk, people ;-) A list of problems might be a good challenge to end the block on, though. I'm sure with the hard drive swapping, there's more than enough to draw on for 5 mins or so. And no, John, you're not a plonker from where I'm standing. There's someone far ahead in that contest ;-)

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:14:13 +0100 (BST) Adam Bower wrote: > On 23 Aug 2001, MJ Ray wrote: > > > As those of you who have been to Syleham will know, it is an excellent > > venue for talks. Would someone like to suggest a theme for the > > meeting so that we can run 2 or 3 short 10 to 15 minute talks with > > questions? Other than that, the normal demos will take place. > > I did promise to do a talk on the Debian package management systems apt > and dselect, and the differences between stable, testing and unstable of > Debian. I will also try and talk about the Debian policy of free and > Non-free although most of it will be word for word from the Faq. /me is annoyed at not being there. > I will try and sort this out after the Linux Beer Wanderung, and there > should be photos of the LBW also. If we sobber up and you get that square peg (pile of kit) in the round hole (60L backpack) > I think there may also be the chance to watch NetBSD getting > (well attempting) installed on some old Vax kit! but this depends on other > outside circumstances. That depends on when you pick my vaxes up from cam! As I wont be there I think we can leave this till the next one I can make. Taking a vax on the train sounds like fun :o) Thanks D > Adam > -- > This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

"John Woodard" <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > Announce ALUG 2001.5 Point of order, it's 2001.6. I know 2001.5 isn't on the site, but that's Mr Freeman's fault, I think. Can you give us until tomorrow to get this web page online? > are there any I have missed? uklinux.linuxnbsd on news.uklinux.net? As those of you who have been to Syleham will know, it is an excellent venue for talks. Would someone like to suggest a theme for the meeting so that we can run 2 or 3 short 10 to 15 minute talks with questions? Other than that, the normal demos will take place. John, how much is the venue hire this time? Is it more if the bar is opened, or do they need to take a certain amount?

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On 21 Aug 2001 23:46:10 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > > > At the end of the day, the best technical solution is not necessarly the > > best solution [...] > > No, marketing has far too much influence. Why do you think we're > heading up the creek at a rate of knots? Marketing have an awful lot to answer for. I still don't understand how the IBM PC compatable is beating the MAC? > > I don't want people thinking that the community is arguing amoungst > > itself as to which OS/distro is technically superiour. > > But we *are* arguing about what is technically superior and it > encourages innovation. If we try to deny that it happens, people will > be repulsed when they discover these arguments going on. We need to > set the agenda, not just try to answer others' points. Darwinasim in action! The arguing helps the distros to evolve. > > Use what is a good solution for the job, and if that is slackware, > > mandrake, *bsd, suse, debian then so be it.. > > Bah, pragmatist. Does your freedom and the benefits it brings mean > nothing to you? (Notice that you include two freedom-impaired systems > in your list...) HURRAH! IMHO freedom is the most important thing, I now only use free software on my box (except nutscrape as mozilla doesn't work properly quite yet) Also before someone says I am being two faced for saying Novell for file serving, I would like to point out the only time I am going to be doing so would be for money in which case I am kind of prepared to install a non-free package, but only when it is not possible with a free package. One of these days I will do a bench test with linux verses Novell 5. Thanks D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Alug web site - back to Apache
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:57:07 GMT Martyn Drake wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:13:06 -0400 Alexis Lee wrote: > > > There's a Perl CGI script called FormMail which lets you get this > > kind of thing very easily. If you go to support.nicnames.net they > > have a lovely page about it somewhere. > > I'll probably end up using a script that I've knocked up in PHP to do the > job. However, I fear that I could be mugged by the rest of the team if I > integrated PHP into the Alug site ;) **shudder** > Also, I've now decided that I'm no longer scrapping Zeus (and thus no > cheapo license - if you do want a cheapo license then go and see > http://www.zeus.com as they're currently doing them half price which is > actually pretty good deal), and thus Apache deployment has been postponed. WHAT! BUT WHY! Apache isn't that difficult to configure, even I did it! Surely you can try again. > The biggest problem with Zeus - for me anyway - is that it makes you > incredibly lazy at administering normal Apache boxes - you just get used > to that web interface :( I sat at the shell prompt this evening in > readiness for migrating to 1.3.19 and thought - "Sod this, Zeus has a > better approach to all of this" and abandoned the idea. No comment. Thanks D > Regards, > > Martyn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Alug web site - back to Apache
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:00:10 +0100 "Martyn Drake" wrote: > Hi, > > This is a general announcement to say that there will be a brief outage to > the Alug web site (and for that matter - any other web site currently > hosted > with myself) while I convert from Zeus to Apache. The principle > reason for > this is that it's not going to be cost effective for me to run the Zeus > server anymore - particularly now that Zeus have moved over to an annual > support contract for the most part. If anybody is looking to use the Zeus > server in their organisation and would like a cheap license - then contact > me ;) Hurrah! I see a certain list admins (Mark, stop gloating) opinions of you raising as I type. A free web server thats how we like it :o) > Therefore, it's back to good old Apache, hopefully as from tomorrow > evening. > I'll be running version 1.3.19 with all the trimmings, including PHP 4.0.6 > for anybody that needs it, and mysql support (which may infuriate a few). PHP **shudder**, MySQL **Shudder Shudder** Are you running the machines as a load of virtual servers? I have just been told the firewall at uni only lets out port 80 and 443 which is kind of annoying. > With regards to the Postgres database that has been suggested - I will > definately install this within the next couple of weeks when I get a > chance > to sit down and play it with properly. I'll then open it up for anybody > that wants a fiddle with it. Fantastic. <fx action="add another beer the one I already owe Martyn"> > As stated before - if any members want web space/email - just shout. I'll > try to set everything up within 24 hours depending on what's going on > (I've > my wedding to plan (invites still going out, need to book marquee, etc, > etc.) amongst many, many other things). Can recommend this, very cool. > Heck, maybe even create a small form on the main Alug web site > that'll email > me the details of requested web hosting and it'll email me the details for > processing. What do people think? Thanks D > Regards, > > Martyn > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Re: alug request rejected
by Martyn Drake 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

What I'm going to suggest is that maybe the Alug could have an area on the web site or even FTP space (not anonymous however!) so that members can share files easily without having to use the mailing list for this sort of thing (i.e. just point the URL in the body of the message). Regards, Martyn On 23 Aug 2001 11:44:41 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > > > Sorry guys, you're not going to be allowed to review this. > > They could if you posted it in accordance with the rules. > > > Could it not just append MIME text/plain to the end of the > > message? > > It wasn't marked as text/plain anyway. > > Maybe the move to mailman2 on lists.alug.org.uk (may happen > tonight) might fix this. Anyone care to test by sending an > attachment to social(a)lists.alug.org.uk (just one now)? > > MJR

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Re: [Alug] Re: alug request rejected
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > Sorry guys, you're not going to be allowed to review this. They could if you posted it in accordance with the rules. > Could it not just append MIME text/plain to the end of the message? It wasn't marked as text/plain anyway. Maybe the move to mailman2 on lists.alug.org.uk (may happen tonight) might fix this. Anyone care to test by sending an attachment to social(a)lists.alug.org.uk (just one now)? MJR

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Re: Window managers // was Re: [Alug] Website
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > > I still don't understand why non-hackers like E so much. Surely the > Wash your mouth out. Now let's see: spend CPU on making pretty pictures or spend CPU on doing useful stuff... I know which I choose. E is bad for the environment, using all that extra electricity on machines that would otherwise have idle time. ;-) > But the point is that nothing is perfect for everyone (arguably anyone). > So the best one can do is to supply a good design, then give people the > tools to turn it into their private utopia. What E itself does is provide essentially no interface design, though. It's not even a good starting point. People still have the tools anyway...

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