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by Alexis Lee 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

Hiya, I'm going to be webmonking for ALUG soon, so as a first step could I have nominations for people who do stuff for ALUG. Currently I have Mark and I as web editors, Freeman as bookmonkey and Adam as FAQ maintainer. If the venue organisers would like their names to go on the jobs list as well as on the individual venue pages, drop me a mail. Also I would like to compile a list of definitive web references for various things. I have a few programming language ones (Java, C, PHP, ASP) and a few web ones (HTML, CSS, neither perfect). Does this sound a good idea? It probably isn't a good idea to start linking to compile instructions, since we'd end up having a link to every cool project on the web. Speaking of which, one of my .sig quotes is a list of a few cool things I've found. Would this make a good page (with a broken links disclaimer at the top, and lots of contributions)? Focus on utilities that open up new areas (IE expect, cron/at) rather than apps which merely do their job well (IE mozilla, IMHO). Heck, maybe an article discussing the perceived merits of each distro? If we could get an advocate from each distro, an article would come together quickly. Note I wish to focus purely on why one ought to use distro X, rather than not use distro Y. Alexis -- "All programmers are optimists" - Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. Failure- When your best just isn't good enough. "Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that"

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by MJ Ray 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > At the end of the day, the best technical solution is not necessarly the > best solution [...] No, marketing has far too much influence. Why do you think we're heading up the creek at a rate of knots? > I don't want people thinking that the community is arguing amoungst > itself as to which OS/distro is technically superiour. But we *are* arguing about what is technically superior and it encourages innovation. If we try to deny that it happens, people will be repulsed when they discover these arguments going on. We need to set the agenda, not just try to answer others' points. > Use what is a good solution for the job, and if that is slackware, > mandrake, *bsd, suse, debian then so be it.. Bah, pragmatist. Does your freedom and the benefits it brings mean nothing to you? (Notice that you include two freedom-impaired systems in your list...)

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ARM and a leg
by David Freeman 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

I know we have a couple of people who know a bit about all things embedded, can any advise on what chips successfully run the ARM linux? is it something that runs only on the Strong arm processor such as the intel SA1100 (used in the IPaq) or will the ARM Thumb processors run it as well? Also how many people do we have on the list who are experienced in Electrical engineering? Thanks D -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:41:29 +0100 (BST) "D.I. Redhouse" wrote: > On 16 Aug 2001, MJ Ray wrote: > > > Mark Elliss <mark.elliss(a)btinternet.com> writes: > > > > > Ok I'll stop lurking and introduce myself too. > > > > Hooray! Oh, and hello too. > > Ooohhh, OK. > > My name is David. I provide computing support to a humanities department > at a University somewhere in south-east England. Hello, welcome, from your cam.ac.uk address I am assuming you are from Cambridge Uni. > I administer Netware, NT/95/98/2000, Solaris, Linux, OpenBSD and > Macintrash boxen. None of them very well. Also, anything with a plug on > it. Cool, Netware still lives, just out of interest which of the above is your favourite? > I am a big fan of Oracle Applications, NT Roaming Profiles, and IIS. <fx action="shudders"> > A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away I was a Field > Archaeologist, and have been responsible for introducing 22 tonne tracked > excavators to some of Britain's less interesting Scheduled Ancient > monuments. I'm not going to ask. > Possibly my least interesting experience to date was trying to work out > why `the internet isn't working' via mobile phone whilst standing on top > of a Bronze Age barrow somewhere in the Fens. Have you tried using a real networking technique, if you can get a little bit of height and some big twigs yoy could use 1-11Mbps wireless ethernet to connect these up, we have had success with over 8 miles per link! > On occasion I work in central (i.e. the sticks of) Sicily. I /was/ going > to use this experience as the basis of an article on computing in the > field. I /was/ expecting to do some nifty juggling with English modems, > the Italian phone system and NAT/IP Masquerading, but when I arrived a > very nice man just connected me to his 100Mbps switched network. Which was > nice. Perhaps you can lend advice to a poor student who has be accused of being a wireless network expert and given the task of connecting a field somewhere in the bottom left hand corner of belguim a network connection for a week so a large quantity of geeks in various states of soberness can connect to the web! bugger! Thanks D > -- > David Redhouse > -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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alug.org.uk domain problems
by Alexis Lee 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

(copied to list in case it doesn't get to you) Hi Martyn, I'm behind a router at work, but I can't see the alug.org.uk domain. anglian.lug.org.uk works fine. Can't use CVS or web from it. Alexis -- "All programmers are optimists" - Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. Failure- When your best just isn't good enough. "Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that"

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Re: Meeting report?
by Earl Brannigan 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

Hi Dave, >Notable by absence >BJ >Jen >Jo >Earl >Tarquin Sorry, on hols in Turkey.... V Hot, didn't go near a computer all week. Cheers Earl

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by Laurie Brown 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

21/08/01 11:00:56, Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: >On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, D.I. Redhouse wrote: > >> Didn't it go through a period of being quite badly behind most of the >> other distributions? > >More like other distros try and race each other into having the most >unstable software with the biggest version number in! One of the That's one reason I'm still with SuSE after all this time. They haven't messed me about at all, and if beta software is in the distro, they ensure one is aware of it. IMO, for a newbie, SuSE can't be beaten. Every time I've been near RH, OTOH... Cheers, Laurie. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by Andrew.Chandler＠ftid.com 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

I'd second you on that one Laurie. I started using Redhat since the dawn of time, but SuSE became much more stable so I switched over to it instead. I do have Redhat and Mandrake systems, but for *real* production SuSE is always the way! Andi Laurie Brown <laurie(a)brownowl.com>@stu.uea.ac.uk on 21/08/2001 11:25:00 Sent by: alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: Subject: Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions) 21/08/01 11:00:56, Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: >On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, D.I. Redhouse wrote: > >> Didn't it go through a period of being quite badly behind most of the >> other distributions? > >More like other distros try and race each other into having the most >unstable software with the biggest version number in! One of the That's one reason I'm still with SuSE after all this time. They haven't messed me about at all, and if beta software is in the distro, they ensure one is aware of it. IMO, for a newbie, SuSE can't be beaten. Every time I've been near RH, OTOH... Cheers, Laurie. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 --------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by MJ Ray 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

"D.I. Redhouse" <dir21(a)cus.cam.ac.uk> writes: [...] > Mandrake's OK, but part of me wishes I'd stuck with my RedHat 6.2 install > and tried to bodge ViaVoice on to that. I have to ask, seeing as you appear from the Cam: have you tried Debian yet?

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by MJ Ray 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

"D.I. Redhouse" <dir21(a)cus.cam.ac.uk> writes: > Didn't it go through a period of being quite badly behind most of the > other distributions? Well, the "stable" releases tend to be just that: tried and tested stable versions of software rather than just whatever they managed to get to compile on time. If you just need the latest version of one package, then you can just say apt-get source packagename cd package-version debuild binary with an appropriate configuration, of course. Stable still has the benefit of security updates being made available very quickly, although you have to edit the config to enable that. If you're feeling helpful then you can help debug the "testing" set, or if you want *everything* to be the latest and don't mind the occasional goof, "unstable" is for you. > Although equally it could be something to do with the fact that a Debian > user round these parts once described/denounced RedHat as the Windows 95 > of Linux distributions, and I developed a general theory concerning Debian > users. Well, Debian users are allowed to express themselves as badly as any other Linux user. What was probably meant is either that their build quality really isn't as good as it should be, or that RedHat's config tools are rather over-friendly and will happily obliterate any changes you make, while others fall over if you set things up the normal way.

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