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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by David Freeman 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

On 23 Aug 2001 22:06:50 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > > > > 1. John Woodard -- "Why I can't install Debian" > > Mine was more of a question than a talk. I fear the talk would be > rather > > short along the lines of "I can't install deb coz I'm a total > plonker!" at > > leat in the eyes of MJR I am. :-) > > Oh, OK, we're looking for a new talk, people ;-) > > A list of problems might be a good challenge to end the block on, > though. I'm sure with the hard drive swapping, there's more than > enough to draw on for 5 mins or so. > > And no, John, you're not a plonker from where I'm standing. There's > someone far ahead in that contest ;-) /me wonders who you are refering to here :o) Thanks D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] tty puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Jonathan McDowell wrote: >Pet hate. It's Jonathan. That's the most common way of spelling the >name. There are some Jonathon's but they're vastly in the minority. Sorry about that. >> Will I have to crash out here? Bum. >If you have Magic SysRQ support compiled in try: >ALT-SysRQ-r >and see if that helps. If it doesn't: >ALT-SysRQ-s ALT-SysRQ-u >to sync and remount reonly the disks. >Or if you can log in remotely: >reset < /dev/tty1 >perhaps. No ctl-alt-del, no response from ALT-SysRQ-*, can't log in remotely, connection refused. Can't ping from other boxes. Can't log in blind as no response from many keys, including the "n" key which all my passwords contain. Cold reboot and box is still behaving the same - i.e. can't do anything with it. I don't understand - I go home leaving it switched on, come back next morning and it is kaput. Don't tell me there is no solution except a reinstall? Why me? I think I'll give up computers and take up the bass again. :-( Or take up absailing. Bricklaying. Cycling. Knitting. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] tty puzzle
by John Seago 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Perhaps you should try Slackware, I understand from having bought the disks and scanned the various web-sites on installation and configuration, that it's even more complicated/difficult than Debian, (I've put it to one side until I understand what I'm trying to do with what I've got). Note that the one recent mention of Slackware 8 was from someone who wanted to buy it with the manual! It could provide a challenge even greater than abseiling! And no don't ask me I can't even work out how to get at my second disk! John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:00:28 +0100 xsprite(a)bigfoot.com wrote: > on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:11:05AM +0000, David Freeman scribbled: > > > > Web server of anything outside of a firewall == OpenBSD > > > Why OpenBSD? > It doesn't even have a mature firewalling system at the momement, let > alone an > easy to use isakmp daemon. > Oh, and they've also dropped qmail, djbdns, publicfile, as well as ipf. Security, lack of wholes. > Even Linux has security-orientated code audits performed on it now. > So how is it more secure/a better choice? I wan't aware that Linux had audits like this. Maybe Linux would be a better choice. > It's hellishly slow on most low spec stuff that you would normally > love to use > as a dedicated firewall/small webserver. A p100 with 8 megs of ram > crawls under > openbsd. The task scheduler pretty crappy. The same box flies under > NetBSD. > Oh, and NetBSD runs under about 44 architectures. But how well audited is netBSD? how many wholes are there in it? Thanks D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On 23 Aug 2001 22:05:12 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > > > I know you need to do an exam for a VHF license (got mine soon) but for > > 802.11 you don't it sits in the Industrial, Scientific and Medical (ISM) > > 802.11? Airsnort! see http://lwn.net/ security section amongst > others. Hey get with the picture, WEP was cracked ages ago. It is known to be easy to crack. As for Airsnort its just a free version of a package I saw for windows which did all the same stuff. If you run 802.11 then you need to run IPSec over the top, its the only way of making it secure. Thanks D -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > > 1. John Woodard -- "Why I can't install Debian" > Mine was more of a question than a talk. I fear the talk would be rather > short along the lines of "I can't install deb coz I'm a total plonker!" at > leat in the eyes of MJR I am. :-) Oh, OK, we're looking for a new talk, people ;-) A list of problems might be a good challenge to end the block on, though. I'm sure with the hard drive swapping, there's more than enough to draw on for 5 mins or so. And no, John, you're not a plonker from where I'm standing. There's someone far ahead in that contest ;-)

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:14:13 +0100 (BST) Adam Bower wrote: > On 23 Aug 2001, MJ Ray wrote: > > > As those of you who have been to Syleham will know, it is an excellent > > venue for talks. Would someone like to suggest a theme for the > > meeting so that we can run 2 or 3 short 10 to 15 minute talks with > > questions? Other than that, the normal demos will take place. > > I did promise to do a talk on the Debian package management systems apt > and dselect, and the differences between stable, testing and unstable of > Debian. I will also try and talk about the Debian policy of free and > Non-free although most of it will be word for word from the Faq. /me is annoyed at not being there. > I will try and sort this out after the Linux Beer Wanderung, and there > should be photos of the LBW also. If we sobber up and you get that square peg (pile of kit) in the round hole (60L backpack) > I think there may also be the chance to watch NetBSD getting > (well attempting) installed on some old Vax kit! but this depends on other > outside circumstances. That depends on when you pick my vaxes up from cam! As I wont be there I think we can leave this till the next one I can make. Taking a vax on the train sounds like fun :o) Thanks D > Adam > -- > This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

"John Woodard" <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > Announce ALUG 2001.5 Point of order, it's 2001.6. I know 2001.5 isn't on the site, but that's Mr Freeman's fault, I think. Can you give us until tomorrow to get this web page online? > are there any I have missed? uklinux.linuxnbsd on news.uklinux.net? As those of you who have been to Syleham will know, it is an excellent venue for talks. Would someone like to suggest a theme for the meeting so that we can run 2 or 3 short 10 to 15 minute talks with questions? Other than that, the normal demos will take place. John, how much is the venue hire this time? Is it more if the bar is opened, or do they need to take a certain amount?

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On 21 Aug 2001 23:46:10 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > > > At the end of the day, the best technical solution is not necessarly the > > best solution [...] > > No, marketing has far too much influence. Why do you think we're > heading up the creek at a rate of knots? Marketing have an awful lot to answer for. I still don't understand how the IBM PC compatable is beating the MAC? > > I don't want people thinking that the community is arguing amoungst > > itself as to which OS/distro is technically superiour. > > But we *are* arguing about what is technically superior and it > encourages innovation. If we try to deny that it happens, people will > be repulsed when they discover these arguments going on. We need to > set the agenda, not just try to answer others' points. Darwinasim in action! The arguing helps the distros to evolve. > > Use what is a good solution for the job, and if that is slackware, > > mandrake, *bsd, suse, debian then so be it.. > > Bah, pragmatist. Does your freedom and the benefits it brings mean > nothing to you? (Notice that you include two freedom-impaired systems > in your list...) HURRAH! IMHO freedom is the most important thing, I now only use free software on my box (except nutscrape as mozilla doesn't work properly quite yet) Also before someone says I am being two faced for saying Novell for file serving, I would like to point out the only time I am going to be doing so would be for money in which case I am kind of prepared to install a non-free package, but only when it is not possible with a free package. One of these days I will do a bench test with linux verses Novell 5. Thanks D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Alug web site - back to Apache
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:57:07 GMT Martyn Drake wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:13:06 -0400 Alexis Lee wrote: > > > There's a Perl CGI script called FormMail which lets you get this > > kind of thing very easily. If you go to support.nicnames.net they > > have a lovely page about it somewhere. > > I'll probably end up using a script that I've knocked up in PHP to do the > job. However, I fear that I could be mugged by the rest of the team if I > integrated PHP into the Alug site ;) **shudder** > Also, I've now decided that I'm no longer scrapping Zeus (and thus no > cheapo license - if you do want a cheapo license then go and see > http://www.zeus.com as they're currently doing them half price which is > actually pretty good deal), and thus Apache deployment has been postponed. WHAT! BUT WHY! Apache isn't that difficult to configure, even I did it! Surely you can try again. > The biggest problem with Zeus - for me anyway - is that it makes you > incredibly lazy at administering normal Apache boxes - you just get used > to that web interface :( I sat at the shell prompt this evening in > readiness for migrating to 1.3.19 and thought - "Sod this, Zeus has a > better approach to all of this" and abandoned the idea. No comment. Thanks D > Regards, > > Martyn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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