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Language wars // was Re: [Alug] ALUG Library ...
by MJ Ray 03 May '01

03 May '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > XML has always appeared as a very complex thing which I haven't needed > to use for my very simple web site! Can any one recommend a good primer > for XML. Hrm, I can't remember where I learnt about it. Probably from webreference.com or similar. It's just like HTML but with consistency and your own tags, really. > I Am amazed that there is such a holy war about programming languages, > particully the language people first learnt was there favourite and all > others are programmed as if they were using the first language. Depending on your world-view and the task at hand, I now firmly believe that either everything is objects or everything is functions. This is miles away from my first language (BASIC) or my second (FORTH), but I tend to watch people and I've seen things that would make your toes curl. I guess others on this list will have seen worse, though. I don't really get into holy wars about language, though. I just try to avoid engaging with ones I dislike unless absolutely necessary. I have that luxury at the moment. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] self intro
by MJ Ray 03 May '01

03 May '01

Joss Winn <joss(a)josswinn.org> writes: > Well, before the list admin finds a new member of the list who lives > in Japan [...] Oh, I don't think we'd notice another member from Japan that easily. Tats, are you still out there? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Library ...
by MJ Ray 03 May '01

03 May '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Thoughts on what language to implement this in... Perl + DBI is nice and > quick, Calling Perl nice is not something I can bring myself to do any more. OK, it's possible to do some really well-crafted software in it, but it's possible to create some monstrosities too and more people do the latter. > [...] Ruby is always being mentioned to me but > I have no idea if it has DBI-like features or not. That'll be me, then. With Ruby, it's not quite so critical, as you just tweak your database object class. Even Perl's DBI isn't a perfect solution, because the SQLs don't seem to quite be the same. > [...] Then there's the evils of the world such as PHP, Embperl, > ASP.... can we steer clear of these? Please! While I can't call Perl nice, I won't program in PHP any more beyond simple tasks because of the mental anguish it causes. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] IP Traffic monitoring
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 03 May '01

03 May '01

It's a pity you haven't access to the Cisco (I assme the router is Cisco?) There's a nice command called "ip accounting". It will give you a table of IP addresses and how much traffic they have sent. I occasionally use this with an Expect script to drag back a set of network stats on a particular router. There are a number of non-intrusive methods too. We have some network probes that tap into the leased line and monitor it externally. A more expensive way of doing it though! Oh well just my 2 pence.... Andi "Mark Wilkinson" <mark(a)wiggis.com> on 02/05/2001 17:44:09 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] IP Traffic monitoring Hmm. That's where I was heading. The extract of the numbers is trivial and would give me 99% of their traffic. I'll try to knock something up in Perl that whacks the data into a MySQL database directly. Could be an interesting project. Cheers. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raphael Mankin" <raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk> To: "Mark Wilkinson" <mark(a)wiggis.com> Cc: "alug" <alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [Alug] IP Traffic monitoring It's in the Apache access log. Everything that is sent and how big it is. Not perfect; it does not include the overhead of setting up connections, but it is a start. On 02-May-01 Mark Wilkinson wrote: > Hi everyone. > > We are about to put a website online for an important customer but we want > to monitor the bandwidth usage on a monthly basis and bill them > accordingly. > > Has anyone any ideas on how to do IP Traffic monitoring? We don't have > access to the stats on our primary router (basically our upstream won't > give > us the data for some reason) so I just wanted to put some kind of packet > counter in.. > > Any ideas or package recommendations? I've looked at sourceforge but am not > sure of the products I'm finding there. I want a standalone product that > doesn't look like a beast to install and dumps the data in a nice format > for > sticking into a database. > > Cheers. > > Mark W. > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ---------------------------------- ... all the fallacious exactitude that characterises a statistical table. - Eric Partridge E-Mail: Raphael Mankin <raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk> Date: 02-May-01 Time: 17:25:52 ---------------------------------- _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * ********************************************************************* ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Library ...
by David Freeman 03 May '01

03 May '01

--- Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 03:02:07PM -0700, David Freeman wrote: > > > --- brodders(a)cwcom.net wrote: > > > d) IF not web based - um, how's it going to work?? > > The big advantage of a web system is that is doesn't require any > additional software to be installed on the clients - prospective > clients should already have a web browser (and with care we can work > with any reasonable one) and if not we still don't have to write it - > it's just a case of installing it. Exactly, If we make the system well it should work on any browser, even IE :o) > The other options are: > > 1. Use the database's client server feature. The server machine just > runs a database with no other specialised software and a small > client is written using the revalent database library which then > communicates over a TCP connection to the database server. > > I know MySQL has this feature - it can be used for remote query > sessions too. PostgreSQL has it too. Down side - requires yet another app to be installed. > 2. Another protocol or RPC mechanism where a client program talks to > a > dedicated server process on the server machine which in turn > communicates with the database. > > This last approach can be flexible and can have low bandwidth > requirements but it would be the most work of any of them. <fx action=something going over my head> RPC sounds difficult. I think web based will be best. > > Badly? We want solutions not problems, ne ideas? > > Oh dear! This kind of speak is the worst kind of management clich�. Sorry, forgot the :o) . Also please don't accuse me of being a manager, I still have some (if limited) technically abilities :o) > > We also need to consider who has access to change/add things? > > Oh, so you probably want to define a set of priveleges and add a > "roles" table. How you model the next bit is open to debate. You > could have a many-to-one relationship between users and roles (many > users belong to one role, one role only per user) in which case some > roles have to include all the privileges of lesser roles. The other > way is to have a many-many between users and roles (thus a link > table). You could have a separate privileges table (almost a link > table) which lists role/priv pairs or you could make the privs > columns > of the roles table. We basically have two levels, people browsing for available books, and a librarian to add things. also I thought of another table reservation(member no., resource number, received) member no. and resource number = composite key = integers recieved = boolean. Thanks D > Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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self intro
by Joss Winn 03 May '01

03 May '01

Well, before the list admin finds a new member of the list who lives in Japan and wonders what the hell is going on, I think I'd better introduce myself.... hello, my name is Joss. I'm from the UK (lincoln actually) but have lived in Japan for the last two and a half years. I joined this list because, well, I like Linux and will be doing an MA in Film Archiving at UEA from Sept. I have no background in computing and no plans to make a career out of it, but am personally interested in Open Source/FSF/GNU Linux. I am also interested in using Unix/Linux within the film preservation and archiving profession. It's dominated by SGI right now, but I understand that Linux is finding it's way into the business too. I use SUSE Linux 7.1 on a Macintosh and it's very sweet. If anyone has any questions specifcally regarding Linux on PPC, then I may be able to help. I've been pretty involved in it now for almost a year. Still a newbie but I can maintain my own box, build a kernel and tweak a XFConfig file! and am starting to be able to give advice to others, so I must be learning something. ;-) Anyway, enough for now. Look forward to meeting you in September. cheers Joss -- http://www.josswinn.org

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Library ...
by MJ Ray 03 May '01

03 May '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > <fx action=eureka> Parse error... no ""s and no / to denote an empty tag... > How about a java program written to utilise the Java Database > connectivity (JDBC) to get the data from mysql. If using Java 1.2 with Never mind that Java is non-free. > XML != nice. HTML does the job fine. XML is a good data interchange format. So are S-expressions. HTML is hopeless, as most of the specifications are entertainingly vague. > PS one of these days I will learn a proper language AKA Lisp and write > some decent type programs. Java's quite nice, but now take those principles to Ruby and do some serious damage to the Universe. http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ -- MJR

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Linuxday April 29th
by terryfilby 02 May '01

02 May '01

Looking forward to coming to UEA again next Sunday, presume we can park near the venue to download computer, monitor etc and then, probably, go back to the car park. Hope to be there before or near 2 pm. Thanks Terry

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Re: [Alug] Linux Expo 2001
by MJ Ray 02 May '01

02 May '01

Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> writes: > www.linuxexpo.co.uk for the free registration. The only argument against registering is the amount of spam you get. Use email addresses which are about to die, etc. -- MJR

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Samba again --smbwrapper wont compile
by David Freeman 01 May '01

01 May '01

when I do #./configure --with-smbwrapper #make I get the following error Compiling smbwrapper/smbw.c with -fpic smbwrapper/smbw.c:1429: warning: `struct stat64' declared inside parameter list smbwrapper/smbw.c:1429: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want. smbwrapper/smbw.c: In function `stat64_convert': smbwrapper/smbw.c:1431: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1432: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1433: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1434: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1435: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1436: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1437: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1438: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1439: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1440: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1441: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1442: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1443: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c: At top level: smbwrapper/smbw.c:1448: warning: `struct dirent64' declared inside parameter list smbwrapper/smbw.c: In function `dirent64_convert': smbwrapper/smbw.c:1450: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1451: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1452: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type smbwrapper/smbw.c:1453: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type make: *** [smbwrapper/smbw.po] Error 1 Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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