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Moving help.
by Jonathan McDowell 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

Hi. Some of you already know that I'm moving to Norwich. I've been ringing around try to get removal quotes and they all seem to start at £600 (this is for a 2 bedroomed flat moving from Harpenden to Norwich). It's been suggested that ALUG will work for beer. I'd like to put this to the test. I'm planning on moving on Tuesday 30th October. I reckon if I can find 3 people to help then I can do it myself without too much hassle (could probably do it with just me and one other person, but that might end up being a lot of work). I'll need help at both ends, but I thought if I hired the van from Norwich then I can give everyone a lift there to help and back. I'm prepared to buy lots of beer and pizza (or whatever equivalent people want) for consumption after the move is complete. I reckon I can buy a considerable amount and pay for the van and still save lots over removal men. :) So, would anyone be prepared to help? Please? Pretty please? Ideally and drive the van too as I only have a little Polo and big vechiles scare me. :) Alternatively if anyone can suggest a reasonably priced removal company in Norwich that might work too... J. -- /-\ | The Bible was written by the same |@/ Debian GNU/Linux Developer | people who said the Earth was flat. \- |

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Re: [alug social] I can't believe how much of a muppet I can be sometimes :-)
by MJ Ray 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > Anyhow the lesson to be learned is that procmail is very powerful but when > given to someone who thinks that they know what they are doing it becomes > a very dangerous weapon! I'm tempted to write a stand-alone procmail alternative with a nicer configuration language, probably based on Gnus's "fancy mail splitting" feature. When I consider why I use Gnus, the mail filtering and the scoring are the top two reasons. Anyway, let's start with market research: - who would be interested in a friendlier procmail? - should it have both GUI and file-based configuration methods? - what alternatives are already out there? I can't seem to find a good one, but maybe one of you uses one already? -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [alug social] I can't believe how much of a muppet I can be sometimes :-)
by MJ Ray 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > the majority of my procmail rules end up being for filtering out mailing > lists into various folders. there seem to be four basic mailing list > systems in wide spread use: ezml, majordomo, listserv (less now though) > and mailman. so a general way of filtering each could be easily worked out. Oh yes, they're quite easy to filter out in Gnus. The basic gist of it is:- ; once without ; RFC-compliant ("list-post" "mailto:\\([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\\)@\\([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\\)\\..*" "list.\\2.\\1") ; ezmlm ("delivered-to" "mailing list \\([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\\)@\\([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\\)\\..*" "list.\\2.\\1") ; mailman ("list-id" ".*<\\(.+?\\)\\.\\(.+?\\)\\..*" "list.\\2.\\1") ; listar ("x-list-id" ".*<\\(.+?\\)\\.\\(.+?\\)\\..*" "list.\\2.\\1") ; lyris ("x-mailing-list" "\\b\\([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\\)\\b.\\([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\\)\\..*" "list.\\2.\\1") ; majordomo ("sender" ".*owner-\\([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\\).\\([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\\).*" "list.\\2.\\1") Of course, this won't be the final form for mymailfilter (or whatever it ends up being called). I'm thinking of something a bit more versatile than just plain triples. -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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I can't believe how much of a muppet I can be sometimes :-)
by Adam Bower 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

I just managed to screw up my mailspool for 24 hours after playing with my .procmailrc and getting the regular expression wrong and putting all my important mail in a hardly read folder... That is not the embarassing part though... after attempting to fix it I managed to send all of my mail to a folder I never read, I thought things had been quite today on the lists that I am on! Anyhow the lesson to be learned is that procmail is very powerful but when given to someone who thinks that they know what they are doing it becomes a very dangerous weapon! If you don't know what procmail is then I guess I should let you know as it is very useful (unless you think you know it all and break it!) anyhow procmail will filter you email into seperate folders so that you can (for example) read all of the alug posts at the same time while they don't get mixed in with your normal email! I currently have about 10 different folders for different mailing lists, as I am following so many topics ranging from beginners python programming all the way to info about my car. Take a look at http://www.procmail.org/ for the full package, it is a very useful tool even if you can be a complete muppet (like me) and get it *SO* wrong because you didn't read the warnings on the box. Adam -- Adam "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done"

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Re: [alug social] FW: (forw) Of Linux bigots
by MJ Ray 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > It seems to me rock solid under motif or lestif, Ah, remember that the motif at UEA will be some ancient OSF build... That may well explain it. -- MJR

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Re: [alug social] FW: (forw) Of Linux bigots
by MJ Ray 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > If you want an easy to use GUI X based text editor you may want to try nedit ...if you can stand *that* toolkit... seriously, I know Andrew swears by it, while I just swear at it for the Motif flakiness at UEA ;-) Is it any better built against lesstif? > PS I would like to suggest we get adam or another vi fan and an emacs fan such > as Mark here to run a debate at an alug meeting over which is better Vi or > emacs. I think you'd need someone who followed the religion a bit more closely than me. Most of my interest in XEmacs comes from the wonderful applications which have been developed on top of it, such as gnus and pcl-cvs. -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [alug social] FW: (forw) Of Linux bigots
by MJ Ray 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

"John Woodard" <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > As an aside I'm totally impartial in this conflict coz I can't understand > either of the buggers so I'll stick with Pico or Kwrite for now. People attack one editor I use (XEmacs) because of its keyboard shortcuts and they attack the other (wily) because of its extensive use of the mouse. Can't win, can you? By the way, if you like pico, try jpico from the joe package. nano is also another good replacement for it. -- MJR

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Re: [alug social] FW: (forw) Of Linux bigots
by MJ Ray 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

Jonathan McDowell <noodles(a)earth.li> writes: > Operatives have already been dispatched. Sadly, Jonathan didn't think to cc me, so I was already dead by the time I read this. I also made approximately the same points. Anyone else in London on Thursday and want to meet up? Or Norwich tomorrow? -- MJR

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Re: [alug social] FW: (forw) Of Linux bigots
by MJ Ray 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Ashley <ash(a)blueskyresearch.net> writes: > I'm guessing you're an Emacs user. <ashley starts to zip up flamesuit> I'm far more of a vi-hater than an Emacs user, I think. The one reason to learn vi is that it is on every system. How the hell they got it into the standard is beyond me. That anyone uses it when there's a choice is incredible. -- MJR

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Re: [alug social] FW: (forw) Of Linux bigots
by MJ Ray 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > This does not meen I think that drag and drop is imposible on light weight > applications my favourate graphical file manager XFtree/Xtree is an ideal xftree is dead! Long live ROX-Filer! > having played with Motif now I shall finish my current project and if I ever > right a linux GUI based application again I am using Qt because I think David > is right Motif and maybe other "traditional" widget sets are poor. Qt is just another traditional widget set. Well, actually, no, it's a widget set with a particularly stupid preprocessor requirement which tries to "embrace and extend". It annoys me. I'm planning to look more closely at GTK. Probably with guile-gtk. > vi does not folloew conventional User Interface theory but still is imprssive as > one gets to use it, maybe the theory is wrong. vi is impossible. Because of its stupendously braindead interface, I *still* end up nuking large chunks of files in error and have to abort the edit. vim's multiple undo makes it tolerable, but vim is hardly light. Hidden "modes" are UI blasphemy, I think. I can't give a single situation where they improve matters. Can you? -- MJR

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